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Just wondering what people here think of Continental Kennel club and if anyone has ever registered with them, Ears dad was AKC registered and Mom was CKC not knowing much about purchasing a purebred dog I just assumed that was Canadian Kennel club. I have seen lots of mixed reviews about this registry and was just curious.
 

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Emphasis on the CON part of the name. It was created by and for breeders who can't or won't meet AKC's registration standards. Reputable breeders don't use it.
 

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As I only go with the OFFICIAL KC of the individual country, who hold the official records, run the shows etc., all these add-on KCs are of no interest to me. It's a pity that this basically bogus KC has the same initials as the Canadian KC.
 

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Ya they wont even ship my registry information to Canada because they and Canadian Kennel club have an agreement because of the name issue. Luckily I have a US postal address I can get it sent to, I am just wondering as to why the breeder would use it since she has 3 other dogs that get AKC, not that the registry really matters to me we got Ears cause we love her not because of where she is registered.
 

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Canadian KC only has reciprocal agreement with AKC. but they do have different requirement including permanent identification.


FWIW It would not surprise me if the CKC dog was akc registered as well but on a limited - non breeding registration. Using CKC is a way around the restriction and still call the off spring registered.
 

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That kinda makes a lot of sense Mikey if that's what happened, which I no is frowned upon but I did get a pretty awesome and adorable puppy but my opinion is a little one sided on that front. I guess my other question would be do I even need to register her, I'm not breeding her or going to show her,may teach her agility and definitely going to teach tracking so would there be a point of dealing with the Hassel and registering her
 

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You can't register her with either AKC or CKC, so really there is no point as the ConKC papers are not really good for anything. You CAN get a performance ID type of number from both CKC and AKC as long as the dog appears purebred and is neutered, so you can compete in the performance events (like agility and tracking) if you wish, just not in the conformation (dog show).

In Canada there is also the AAC (Agility Association of Canada), which accepts all dogs, and in the US there are a number of other Agility venues that are open to all dogs. Each requires their own registration, but are not dependent on the dog being registered anywhere else.
 

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Why do you think its a CON Soundtrack from the looks of things other than them not being well known they offer the same types of registrations as AKC as AKC now allows you to register Mix breeds.

If they are providing the information they are saying the provide to clients IE the registration papers they are not really a conning any one, and my breeder that I choose was defiantly not shady so I don't think its just used by non reputable breeders
 

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1. reputable is in the eye of the beholder. Buying a dog on a limited registration and then breeding is not ethical in my book but to each their own.

2. Most do not realize there are a myriad of registries, of various reputes, most assume AKC in the US. You assume CKC was canadian kennel club. there is a hierarchy of value to various registries. Continental kennel club has very low standard as what the accept as proof a dog is pure bred. Basical the persons word who is registering it. "You will need: two witnesses at least 18 years of age to attest to the dog's purebred status, a $50 evaluation fee (non-refundable), and five photographs of the applicant canine." https://ckcusa.com/registration/canine-registration/?_ga=2.71829463.538670919.1499457396-1345842509.1499457396

AKC now allows you to register Mix breeds.


that is incorrect. The AKC has

1. Pal /ILP the requirements are similar the CKC registration system above but this is far from full registration it Is only a number used to track the dog and allows the dog to be enter compete is some but not all AKC events.

2. The AKC has a similar mixed breed program "canine Partners" AKC Canine Partners - American Kennel Club that allow dogs to compete in even more limited venues and only if the club Hosting the event allows it.

"Joining Canine Partners allows mixed breed dogs and non-eligible AKC registered dogs to participate and earn titles in dog sports such as Agility, Obedience, Rally, Tracking and Coursing Ability. Canine Partners provides for an enhanced relationship between people and their dogs and allows them to connect with other dog owners."

this is not a AKC registration Which sanctions being able to register litters and puppies from AKC registered parents For example an AKC pal/ILP dog is not eligible to have off spring registered with the AKC , The CKC with a similar registration Criteria grants full registrations. allowing offspring to be registered.

There is a huge difference in the criteria and maintaining the sanctity of the stud book. AKC has up the ante in this required with DNA testing requirements


While not zero the Continental Kennel Club has exceeding few shows and venues to participate in.

AKC, UKC and CKC | Dog Training Nation

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ConKC is a commonly used abbreviation to distinguish it from CKC.

FWIW, if you bought the dog in Canada, it is ILLEGAL under the Canadian Animal Pedigree Act to sell an animal as purebred unless it is registered or eligible to be registered with an approved body, which in the case of dogs is the Canadian Kennel Club. Anyone selling a dog as purebred MUST provide CKC registration papers, free of charge, to the buyer within six months of sale.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/A-11.2/page-7.html#h-37
 

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ConKC is a commonly used abbreviation to distinguish it from CKC.

FWIW, if you bought the dog in Canada, it is ILLEGAL under the Canadian Animal Pedigree Act to sell an animal as purebred unless it is registered or eligible to be registered with an approved body, which in the case of dogs is the Canadian Kennel Club. Anyone selling a dog as purebred MUST provide CKC registration papers, free of charge, to the buyer within six months of sale.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/A-11.2/page-7.html#h-37
Just because it's a law doesn't mean it's followed lots of people in Ontario sell purebred dogs and provide no paper work. And our girl game from Minnesota would have loved to have bought in Canada but most basset breeders I found in Ontario had super sketchy and unethical stuff on their websites
 

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1. reputable is in the eye of the beholder. Buying a dog on a limited registration and then breeding is not ethical in my book but to each their own.

2. Most do not realize there are a myriad of registries, of various reputes, most assume AKC in the US. You assume CKC was canadian kennel club. there is a hierarchy of value to various registries. Continental kennel club has very low standard as what the accept as proof a dog is pure bred. Basical the persons word who is registering it. "You will need: two witnesses at least 18 years of age to attest to the dog's purebred status, a $50 evaluation fee (non-refundable), and five photographs of the applicant canine." https://ckcusa.com/registration/canine-registration/?_ga=2.71829463.538670919.1499457396-1345842509.1499457396

AKC now allows you to register Mix breeds.


that is incorrect. The AKC has

1. Pal /ILP the requirements are similar the CKC registration system above but this is far from full registration it Is only a number used to track the dog and allows the dog to be enter compete is some but not all AKC events.

2. The AKC has a similar mixed breed program "canine Partners" AKC Canine Partners - American Kennel Club that allow dogs to compete in even more limited venues and only if the club Hosting the event allows it.

"Joining Canine Partners allows mixed breed dogs and non-eligible AKC registered dogs to participate and earn titles in dog sports such as Agility, Obedience, Rally, Tracking and Coursing Ability. Canine Partners provides for an enhanced relationship between people and their dogs and allows them to connect with other dog owners."

this is not a AKC registration Which sanctions being able to register litters and puppies from AKC registered parents For example an AKC pal/ILP dog is not eligible to have off spring registered with the AKC , The CKC with a similar registration Criteria grants full registrations. allowing offspring to be registered.

There is a huge difference in the criteria and maintaining the sanctity of the stud book. AKC has up the ante in this required with DNA testing requirements


While not zero the Continental Kennel Club has exceeding few shows and venues to participate in.

AKC, UKC and CKC | Dog Training Nation

AKC, UKC and CKC | Dog Training Nation

1.Yes IF that is what she did that's not right but who knows, also she treats her dogs better than most everything, was clean neat and organized so I would say that makes her a good breeder. Dogs were well cared for and she cares about their health.

2. And from the looks of Continentals site kinda seems like the mixed breed program is the same kinda deal. Just skimming the site quickly

Would be nice if they offered more shows and such but they also seem fairly new.

I just wonder how much of the negative towards them is just out of snobery than anything else.
 

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Just because it's a law doesn't mean it's followed lots of people in Ontario sell purebred dogs and provide no paper work. And our girl game from Minnesota would have loved to have bought in Canada but most basset breeders I found in Ontario had super sketchy and unethical stuff on their websites
I'm surprised the Basset Hound Club of Canada couldn't help you find someone good.
 

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2. And from the looks of Continentals site kinda seems like the mixed breed program is the same kinda deal. Just skimming the site quickly

Would be nice if they offered more shows and such but they also seem fairly new.

I just wonder how much of the negative towards them is just out of snobery than anything else.
They seem to be downplaying the mixed breed stuff on their website, but if you look at their classifieds you will find many breeders advertising ConKC registered mutt puppies.

Honestly, AKC's registration requirements are not that strenuous. If a breeder can't meet those minimal requirements, yeah, I'm dubious.

Hey, you asked for opinions, that's mine. I wouldn't buy from a breeder that uses them as a registry.
 

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depends are how far one is willing to travel

1. in the last litter we had one go to the Winnipeg area from CT

2 litter before that when Miriam aka soundtrack was in Ontario near Ottawa, one went to California another Wisconsin, Newfoundland etc.

https://www.vetary.com/dog/care/distinguishing-between-reputable-breeder-backyard-breeder

you will find a lot of site with information and guidelines on what is or is not a reputable breed. many of the criteria I personally disagree with such as limited registration and sell in "pet quality" dog with must spay-neuter. but there is a basic general over all theme to such criteria

1. The breeders for the betterment of the breed not simply to produce puppies.

2. they test their breed program by showing/field trialing to gain a more objective judging of the breeding program

3. they are members of the breed parent club i.e. Basset hound Club of America or Basset hound Club of Canada.

4. they abide by the code of conduct of the parent club
Health Policy

Code of Ethical Conduct


Given your location you are likely to find more events in the states than Canada.

A little history of ConKC and AKC might shed some like. In the late 80's pressure was put on the AKC from hobby breeders, public and animal rights groups about conditions a commercial breeding facilities (puppy mills). AKC step up their paperwork enforcement and eventual institute kennel inspections. This increase pressure and cost on commercial Kennel created an environment in which they looked to avoid the add AKC scrutiny. This created a market place for new registries to form that were and are more about collecting a fee for a piece of paper than the betterment of dogs. the ConKC was one of the first, It is a for profit company where as AKC is non-profit.

Call it snobbery if you like but there is a big difference in the missions and the goals of each institution and that of the people that use them.




Keep in mind many people take it personally when we critic various registries. What registry your dog is from does not change the quality or lack of quality of the individual dog. It is just the odds of getting a quality dog increase when you get the dog from a good breeder. and those breeder are going to use the better registries.
 

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She uses both ckc and AKC as the other two litters from this year are AKC I just got a CKC registered pup from her first litter. And don't worry I don't take it personally I'm interested in learning about that stuff since like I said this is our first puppy that's come with any sort of papers. :)
 

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I don't know what/who you are listening to but fact is BOTH parents have to be registered with one of the OFFICIAL Kennel Clubs, for the offspring to be registered with that KC. Dogs born outside the country of residence can be registered with that KC provided the official Export Pedigree is issued by the KC of the country of birth. Been there, done that when we took our UK bred Bassets into Canada BUT that was because we did want to show, and eventually breed in that country. It was similar when we returned to the UK with our by then, Canadian-bred Bassets although one was originally UK bred - so he was registered with the UK KC as a 'Re-entry'.

The other KC (and others too) with the same initials as the Canadian KC will quite honestly allow the registration of the result of 'mating chairs to tables'. In other words all-comers are welcome (or their fee is). But they are NOT the official keeper of a breed's records, or hold official shows etc. So I see no point using any KC other than the Official one. And it's nothing to do with snobbishness!!

It is illegal to sell a puppy, calling it purebred, in Canada without being registered with the Canadian KC. Perhaps those being sold unregistered are not being called purebred, even if they are!! But then again, anybody buying an unregistered puppy has no guarantee it IS purebred!!

Just to add - the official KC of a country should protect the integrity of breeds - from granting Kennel Names (affixes) to officially running the shows.
 

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I don't know what/who you are listening to but fact is BOTH parents have to be registered with one of the OFFICIAL Kennel Clubs, for the offspring to be registered with that KC. Dogs born outside the country of residence can be registered with that KC provided the official Export Pedigree is issued by the KC of the country of birth. Been there, done that when we took our UK bred Bassets into Canada BUT that was because we did want to show, and eventually breed in that country. It was similar when we returned to the UK with our by then, Canadian-bred Bassets although one was originally UK bred - so he was registered with the UK KC as a 'Re-entry'.

The other KC (and others too) with the same initials as the Canadian KC will quite honestly allow the registration of the result of 'mating chairs to tables'. In other words all-comers are welcome (or their fee is). But they are NOT the official keeper of a breed's records, or hold official shows etc. So I see no point using any KC other than the Official one. And it's nothing to do with snobbishness!!

It is illegal to sell a puppy, calling it purebred, in Canada without being registered with the Canadian KC. Perhaps those being sold unregistered are not being called purebred, even if they are!! But then again, anybody buying an unregistered puppy has no guarantee it IS purebred!!

Just to add - the official KC of a country should protect the integrity of breeds - from granting Kennel Names (affixes) to officially running the shows.

I get all that like I stated she is also an AKC breeder as she has two more litters with different moms and those are AKC registered, I got a CKC registered puppy from her first litter this year, as the female dog was CKC..

Not really sure why you just repeated everything said from previous posts
 
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