... so after 4 years ...
out of the blue I get a message in my FaceBook with regard to my original post in this thread. ... From Mocha and Beldin's breeder no less.
Apparently after all this time she "came accross" this website and wasn't happy with what I had wrote and wanted me to delete it.
I haven't been here much and in fact, before I got her message with the link back to this thread, I hadn't even been here I think for almost three years... since 2008 when I was still in Oshawa (I don't remember whether or not I was able to log in since we moved to New Brunswick?) Anyway, it's been a while. ((speaking of which I guess it's time for a Beldin update etc))
I thought I'd post her message to me anyway, and my reply. This kind of reopened some old wounds I guess ... the kids still miss Mocha. And getting her message when I did caught me off guard.
(To be fair, I can see that from her point of view she'd be upset too if she just came accross this after so long ... )
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Quote (her post):
I just found a interesting site that I am wondering about.
http://www.basset.net/boards/general-basset-hound-discussion/10532-unfortunate-information.html. Why would you post this? All of this is false lies and I am speechless to say the least. I do not even know where to begin. Saying that I claim my puppies were health guarenteed "Yeah right". Saying that I told you that your pups were AKC/CKC, which I did not. I told you that Dad was AKC and Mom was CKC (continental kennel club) & you said that you did not care because you had no plans to breed ever. We spoke about this before your money was ever sent! I even sent you Beldin without you even paying a dime! And to say that when you got them you couldnt afford to send them back....why in the world would you even say this??? We talked for months and months on video chat and you showed me pictures, etc and then post theses lies??? Why? And to say that I never responded to you regarding Mochas condition is a BOLD FACE lie. I spoke with you over the phone and you said that you had already decided to let her go to a family at the vet. I asked you to keep me posted and I never heard from you. I am two thousand (was) plus miles away, what did you want me to do? From day one Christina I worked with you, was upfront with everything and you go and post this?? I just would appreciate some answers. I am beyond speechless. As far as "holes" in the pedigree in the 4th generation..I'm assuming you are talking about Daisys dad? Daisys dad was CKC (Continental) and I sent you what I had. This is all correct information. And this"They now have a website, and appear to be not as reputable as I had first been led to believe..." I am in shock!!! I sold you Mocha for 400.00, gave you Beldin upfront without you paying a DIME before you received him, which you then paid over a months period. Paid for part of the shipping since you could not afford to ship both and then this??? I would appreciate you deleting this post as this is 100% lies and not true what so ever. Thank you, Kelly
Also I do have there mom Daisy who is a healthy 8 yr old and grandma 10 yr old still living here with me today. ALL of my dogs live inside my home. ALL of my puppies are born in my bedroom. I just cannot even believe I came across this post......
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My reply:
Kelly, Sorry about the delay in my response, I don't have internet at home and basically get online from the library when I can in town.
First, that post was made 4 years ago. Back when Mocha got sick and I and the kids were still quite upset over it and I was looking for answers ... most of the information I was able to get was from the vets I was dealing with and the people on the basset board. Many of whom run basset rescues because of indiscriminate breeders and or owners.
-- Saying that I claim my puppies were health guarenteed "Yeah right". --
I said that because I was told that what Mocha had was a genetic inherited disorder ... the basset board and my vet told me that the breeder should be contacted and informed because due to how old Mocha was at the time genetic health issues should be addressed by or covered under a breeder health guarentee. When I contacted you about it, your main concern seemed to be denying any responsibility for it.
-- Saying that I told you that your pups were AKC/CKC, which I did not. I told you that Dad was AKC and Mom was CKC (continental kennel club) --
This may be a case of mis-communication then because to my reccolection you had told me that the pups were registered. Sorry if I misunderstood.
-- & you said that you did not care because you had no plans to breed ever. --
What I said I didn't care about was you had told me that there were some minor imperfections that would prevent Mocha or Beldin from being show dogs, etc. You told me they were "pet quality" which was fine with me. As for breeding them, I never had any intent to breed.
-- We spoke about this before your money was ever sent! I even sent you Beldin without you even paying a dime! --
You sent me Beldin because you said no one else wanted him because of his hernia and it would make him undesireable for breeders or showers. As I wasn't concerned with breeding or showing that wasn't an issue.
-- And to say that when you got them you couldnt afford to send them back....why in the world would you even say this??? We talked for months and months on video chat and you showed me pictures, etc and then post theses lies??? Why? --
Yes, we talked for months - then when Mocha was sick and I told you about it communication dropped off. You didn't respond as readily as you had done before ... you seemed uninterested in hearing about things after and I lost interest in keeping in touch because of how the whole thing was handled.
Mostly all I had to go on was the information and oppinions I was getting from the people on the basset board and my vet in how things should be and the differences between reputable breeders and mass breeders, etc. And taking care of my distraught children.
You've said maybe a paragraph of words to me in the last 4 years.
-- And to say that I never responded to you regarding Mochas condition is a BOLD FACE lie. I spoke with you over the phone and you said that you had already decided to let her go to a family at the vet. I asked you to keep me posted and I never heard from you. --
Yes, we spoke, I called while Mocha was still at the vet's and again, I didn't know what to do or how things should be handled or what ... I told you at the time what was told to me and it seemed to me at the time that mostly you were more interested in making sure you weren't being "blamed" for it. I couldn't continue on with the costs of Mocha's care at the vets for weeks, and I was not able to make the decision to have her put down so I signed her over to the vet and called you again to let you know.
My friends on the basset board were helpful and supportive and the vet told me that it should have been handled differently. After that I was mostly dealing with grieving children and trying to move on from it.
As far as deleting anything goes ... Until I got your message, I haven't even been to that forum since early 2008 when we were still in Ontario. From what I can see it's an old thread, probably archived and I don't have any access to deleting it.
I wasn't the only one who was sceptical of how things were handled with regards to Mocha ... as I said most of what I had to go on was from people who knew more about bassets, etc than I and have had experience with this sort of thing. With how often the dogs are bred, how many of them there are, etc ...
Yes, you were friendly and nice and yes you were willing to let me make payment arrangements for Beldin considering that your sending him wasn't part of our original arrangements, etc and I was very appreciative of it. I took what you told me at face value and trusted that I was getting two healthy bassets...
That's not what happened. The basset we had asked for in the first place had a genetic inherited disorder and we lost her due to it. It is still hard on the kids. Any time they come accross a picture of her or video clip - they still cry.
I have learned a lot from the basset site and the people there. Perhaps I wasn't as well informed as I should have been prior to making the arrangements I had with you in the first place.
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Thoughts?
Anyhow, while I'm here I want to take the opportunity to say "thank you" again to those that were there for me and the kidlets during all this (back when we were going through it in the first place) ... this forum was a great resource and all the information we got and care from you all was invaluable.