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We have a new basset puppy Rosco, and he has been a lot of fun and joy to have. I would have attached a picture but I keep getting errors while uploading them. This is our first dog (my wife's family had dogs but I was always a cat owner). I want to make sure I am training him appropriately. Rosco is about 4 months old now, and he has got the sit command down pretty well. Being a puppy he can be a little boneheaded sometimes but we are making good progress. House training is also going well via crate training.

I was researching some suggestions for ways to train your dog to do some basic commands and ran into a slight problem with teaching him to lay down. The technique I am trying to use is to have him on a leash or hook a finger into his collar and set a treat on the floor, then pull his head and body down until he accomplishes the task before rewarding him. The problem is that he is a basset hound, and I basically have to sweep his front legs out from under him if I want him to be laying down (he's too strong to just force down via the collar). Does anyone have any suggestions on other ways to train him for this?

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I've had good luck with the "under the knee" method.

Sit on the floor with your legs straight out in front of you and slightly bent at the knees. Take a hand with a treat in it and push it out under your knee from between your legs. As the puppy tries to get the food treat, slowly bring it back under your knee. As the puppy tries to follow, it will usually lie down.
 

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The problem is that he is a basset hound, and I basically have to sweep his front legs out from under him if I want him to be laying down (he's too strong to just force down via the collar). Does anyone have any suggestions on other ways to train him for this?

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when pushed or pulled on a dogs natural reaction is to resist. There multiple ways to teach down I will first give you may favorite and the way I know "teach" all dogs

First off you don't need the dog how to down, He already knows how to perform the physical act. What you need to do is teach him the meaning of a cue/comand This may sound like mear symantics but it is not. I use a method referred to capture.

some theory first because it will make appling the technique

1. a reward inorder to be effect must be delivered at the time of the behavior or shorthly there affter within a sec is though ideal but no more than three second.

2. In order to train a cue you need a predictable behavior see. How to Add the Cue


So the first step is to get a predictable down behavior and be redy to reinforce it. This will increase the reliability of the behavior.
So spend a day observe the puppy when is he likely to lie down. Does he have any rituals before hand. Once you decide on a likely time, situation besure you are ready to reward it. Let us say between 7.00-7.30 the dog lies down on his dog bed but circles first.
sp say a 7:00 oclock put a 10 or so small treats in your pocket and watch the dog. When it starts circling get ready to give the pup a treat as soon as he lies down, Move him off the bed and repeat. Soon he will be doing it faster and more often. Do the same thing at other times . locations and situation that he lie down and soon you will have the dog lie down more and more often and more predictably then you can add a cue
Like in the first case tell the dog 'Down" or what ever word you want to use for while he is circling just before you are sure he is going to lie down THe advantages are it is realitively fast the dog is more actively involed in using his brain so in essence he learns faster by allowing him to make descission about his behave rather than not give him a choice. So Many Methods, So Little Time: Canine Training Methods

for a more detailed explaination of capturing seeCapturing Behaviors

luring using a piece of food or other object or target to get the dog into postion. I find this method outlined esiest on a slick flooring surface(not carpet) Starting with the pup in a sit you are sitting or kneeling drectly in front. Using a piece of food or other object the dog will follow start directly in front of his nose down chest end up between his front feet but rear of his sturnum. THis requires the dog to push to the rear with the front to continue following if on a slippery surface the butt slides back as well

and alternative is the start with the dog in a standing postion and use the method above so you end up with a dog in a "Bow" position, You can put the bow on cue and train the down from their or just continue and wait the dog out in the bow eventually it will butt the but down as it tires and volia the subsuquent times the butt will go down faster and faster. Also you can physical manipulate the nutt into position as well While this method is general easier for humans to understand it can be confusing to the dog. The biggest draw back however are the number of superflouis cues that must be faded. The food, the stange hand movement etc. This slows the actual training process a lot

I will avoid free shaping entirely unless you want to enroll in clicker training classes the time and skill required takes time and effort to master. Those that do however it is a very powerfull tool.

for more on different way to get a behavior see How You Get Behavior Really Does Matter
 

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I've had good luck with the "under the knee" method.

Sit on the floor with your legs straight out in front of you and slightly bent at the knees. Take a hand with a treat in it and push it out under your knee from between your legs. As the puppy tries to get the food treat, slowly bring it back under your knee. As the puppy tries to follow, it will usually lie down.[/b]

When I was taugh this method it was through a single leg. Let us say that does not work at all with a long backed dog. as Mirriam has outlined to be effect it must be under both legs.


Personally I found fading this difficult. but keep in mind that is me we each different things easier or harder to do you need to make a decision on how to train a dog first on what feel right for you then on what you think is best for the dog. It has been my experince that dogs are more fexible to learning than humans are at teach them,

other Luring method Teaching your dog the down command

How to Train Your Dog to Lie Down video
 

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I was taught that once the dog has "sit" down cold, then you can start with down. You get the dog in the sit position. After rewarding for that, you hold a treat on the ground under his nose. As he goes down to smell it, slowly pull your hand away, still against the ground. The dog will start reaching with his head towards the treat, and hopefully eventually put his legs out. As soon as the dog puts his legs out to lay down, say down and let him have the treat. It worked great with Bogie.
 
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