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Hi...Have been lurking for a few days and I must say you all have beautiful bassets =)


I have 4 bassets myself: Molly, Cash, Sadie, and the newest (6 weeks old) Raven.

*CASH & PUPPY


*SADIE


*PREGANT MOLLY (Cash is daddy)

The following 3 pix are of Marty, the basset we had until Saturday who passed due to Parvo despite of vaccinations. He is the puppy of Molly and Cash.





*Right before Molly had the pups




Since Marty passed, we decided to keep this angel and named her Raven. Her mommy is Sadie and Daddy Cash


Molly and Sadie are sisters out of the same litter. We couldn't decided between the two, so we bought Sadie and ended up with Molly 6 months later =) How unique. We were meant to have both =)

We bought Cash at a local pet store at 4 months old. He definitely has the most personality. Sadie is the drama queen/princess, and Molly is the mature one.

We didn't plan for them to get pregnant, but we hadn't gotten them fixed either. We gave away Molly's pups (She had nine at birth, 8 living, but we kept Marty, so 7*) even though they are AKC registered. I am pregnant myself and it was way too hard to keep up with the pups and wait for the litter papers to come in.

That is my intro =)
 

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Hmmm.

1. Buying from a pet store - flaming :D topic on the forum
2. Buying too young - another flaming :D topic on the forum
3. Accidental pregnancy (still another flaming :D topic) because nobody bothered to spay or neuter (boiler temp hot topic)
4. And for the grand finale, and to ensure tempers get hot enough: death by parvo (see above)

Um. Yea.
 

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Obviously you didn't read the post.....
The six week old PUP CAME FROM MY HOUNDS SO , THE PUPPY ITSELF LIVED HERE FROM DAY ONE (we didn't buy it, some intelligence..um yeah).....As far as buying from a pet store, we felt sorry for the little guy because he was in a little cage and at 4 months old....Who are you to judge? Also, death by parvo...not my fault since I spent thousands of dollars trying to keep him alive. ;) As for my dogs getting preggo..we hadn't intended for them to get pregnant until the summer months, and this was their first and only time. Man, you gotta love these "quick-to-judge" know-it-alls!
 

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Quite a few of us on Cyberhound, including Biscuit, have spent years trying to educate people to be responsible dog owners. One first starts out by purchasing a dog from a responsible breeder or getting a dog from a rescue organization or humane society. Never a pet store because that supports puppy mills. You may have saved one but millions more will take his place. Puppy mills will only cease to exist if there is no market.

Responsible owners have their pets spayed and neutered. The only reason for breeding is to improve the breed. Sounds like things got out of hand for you, both your bitches got pregnant and you had more than you could handle. This is not responsible breeding. Responsible breeders test for genetic diseases. Their dogs participate in conformation, field trials and performance events.

Biscuit pointed out that certain topics cause people to have strong feelings. Stick around and I'm sure you see what she means. Hopefully you'll also learn something in the process.
 

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The important thing is my dogs are all healthy, vet checked on a regular basis and up to date on their meds and vaccinations. As for irresponsible breeding, I have to disagree. Parvo can be contracted from any dog's feces that are infected, so this is NOT a genetic disorder.
 

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The important thing is my dogs are all healthy, vet checked on a regular basis and up to date on their meds and vaccinations. As for irresponsible breeding, I have to disagree. Parvo can be contracted from any dog's feces that are infected, so this is NOT a genetic disorder.[/b]
So -- you lost a six-week-old puppy to Parvo who was bred by you (accidentally, of course), even though your dogs are 'healthy' and 'up to date on their meds and vaccinations'. If your dogs were truly healthy, where did the Parvo come from?

Hope you have a flame-retardant suit to wear 'cause you're gonna need it. Something really stinks here, and it smells like b*llsh*t.......
 

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So -- you lost a six-week-old puppy to Parvo who was bred by you (accidentally, of course), even though your dogs are 'healthy' and 'up to date on their meds and vaccinations'. If your dogs were truly healthy, where did the Parvo come from?

Hope you have a flame-retardant suit to wear 'cause you're gonna need it. Something really stinks here, and it smells like b*llsh*t.......[/b]


Once again some idiot did not read the POST!~ It was a 4 month old basset that died to parvo.....the 6 week old puppies are fine ...
 

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Ooopss -- sorry. I did read the post, but with so many puppies and dogs, it's a little confusing.

At any rate, the point is -- Parvo is preventable with immunization. Spending thousand of dollars after the fact rarely works in the dog's favor, but prevention with vaccination could have saved a little life here. And yet, you claim all of your dogs are up to date in these things. Poor little puppy.......
 

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Wow, it's great to see how welcoming the members on this board can be.

4bassets:

Unfortunately i can't see your pics for some reason but i'm sure your hounds are lovely. Welcome! You'll find all kinds of great advice, funny stories and great pics on here.... along with some very stong opionions (as you can see)
 

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While I agree that Mommy has hit ALL our buttons, I have to come to her defense on one fact: Even dogs vaccinated against parvo can still succumb to it. My family lost a parvo-vaccinated basset puppy, even after thousands of $$ spent trying to save him. So neither vaccination nor intensive treatment can promise puppies will be safe from the virus. On another note, I got slammed for being too judgemental a few weeks back, and rightly so. While I too thought that Mommy might be a flamer from her first post, I still think it's more effective to woo them in with kindness and then start educating them about the mistakes of pet stores, irresponsible breeding, etc.
 

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4 Bassets, welcome to the board. I have a feeling that you are a true animal lover and take excellent care of your hounds. I got my José as a gift by my then-boyfriend who saw an ad with a low $, and went to look at puppies at a house someplace. He didn't know better. He brought me a puppy (if I remember right the puppy was probably too young) and said he was glad to get the puppy to give it a nice life better than the home he got him from. Did I say he didnt know better? He was not educated. I didn't really know any better either, I had no idea about anything from puppy mills to what age to get a dog to testing to anything. Any other dog or cat I've had was from the pound. I have been accused of loving animals more than humans. Used to be vegetarian (animal reasons), I am so sensitive to any animal abuse story it gives me nightmares. I chase down stray dogs.

My point is this: We can't educate someone if we put them on the defensive and attack them. Consider the motives and the heart of the person, and be gentle. If the result turns people away then this "education" is not working!

I think 4 Bassets likely has a good heart and loves animals. I don't think she is stupid. I do think there are probably a few things that she will learn that will make her handle things differently in the future and isn't that what education should do. I hope 4 Bassets is open to conversation and I hope we can all accomplish this without making anyone feel attacked.

Just my 2 cents.

PS- José died of cancer at only 5 years old in March. From the insight I gained on this board and elsewhere my next dog will be a rescue.
 

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Welcome, keep the pictures coming.
 

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I have to say, I did feel attacked. We didn't know at the time puppy stores were supporting puppy mills, we had no idea !!! Thank you for coming to my defense...the vet said even though our puppy had all his vaccs (he had the record too =) )that he could still get the parvo (we had no idea about that either) I always thought once they had their vaccs everything was safe. We did take all of our others in and they were tested as well (expensive, but well worth it) , which all came back -----. We are going back after 7 days to get tested again b.c we were told some times it takes 7-10 after being exposed to get symptoms or show up. Despite that...they have all been started on pedialyte and antibiotics (vet reccomended) I am very defensive, b.c we spend a lot of money to keep our babies healthy on a yearly basis. The vet concluded that it HAD to be an outside source (we took him to the camp grounds and that is my suspicion). Even though I KNOW I did everything to keep him healthy he was still affected and that bothers me, and worries me about my other babies. We are getting them spayed/neutered next month, I worry too much about whether they are going to good homes or if they will be taken care of...etc.

The reason my pics can't be seen is b.c I deleted them from my photobucket account due to the negativity I received after my first post.

I really hope I don't get attacked anymore for not vaccinating my dogs when in fact THEY ALL ARE, despite :
Aruuuu Posted Today, 11:17 AM
Ooopss -- sorry. I did read the post, but with so many puppies and dogs, it's a little confusing.

At any rate, the point is -- Parvo is preventable with immunization. Spending thousand of dollars after the fact rarely works in the dog's favor, but prevention with vaccination could have saved a little life here. And yet, you claim all of your dogs are up to date in these things. Poor little puppy.......




......To me this shows your intelligence and maybe you NEED TO BE EDUCATED on what Parvo can do to ANY Animal even though they have had vaccs!
 

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A responsible breeder can never worry too much about puppies going to good homes. They do everything they can to prevent their puppies from becoming shelter statistics or worse. :( Responsible breeders carefully screen puppy buyers and provide lifelong support for puppy buyers when they have questions about housebreaking, training, behavioral problems, etc. Puppies are sold on spay/neuter contracts with a clause stipulating that the puppy/dog should be returned to the breeder, if the buyer can't keep it. Responsible breeders almost never sell a puppy younger than 8 weeks, and most will keep puppies until they're 10-12 weeks old. Puppies that are sold/removed from their litters too early don't become socialized to other dogs and don't develop bite inhibition They are at risk of becoming unsatisfactory pets with hard bites and fear-aggression toward other dogs. :(

From What is a Backyard Breeder? (NoPuppyMillsVA)

A good breeder takes a LIFETIME interest in ALL dogs produced. They want to know how your dog does in it's new home, love getting calls and cards from you and are always there to advise you of a problem comes up. If a medical condition crops up, they want to know so if it is potentially hereditary, they can alter the program and try to stop the problem in future generations. A good breeder is a mentor and best friend to all buyers and dogs they produced. And a good breeder will sell with a spay/neuter contract or alter the puppy or dog before placement.[/b]
Additional information on responsible breeding...

Checklist for the Responsible Breeder
Thoughts on Responsible Breeding
Backyard Breeder vs. Reputable Breeder
No Christmas Puppies (Pet Connection.com blog)
Breeding/Breeder Information, wonderpuppy.net
 

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I agree with a few others that though there are some red flags here (due to simply not knowing, not due to being purposely negligant), we as a group shouldn't be so harsh and judgemental. I really like how some people put info to be helpful and not hurtful. Mommy despite your unhappy welcome this is a great community and I have learned a lot and I feel like I actually know the dogs on this site. Please don't let this horrible welcome scare you off, if you stick around I'm sure you'll find it to be a great place.

~Heather
 

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Welcome to the forum!! You will certainly get alot of opinions here. I've been a member for a couple years and like hearing different people's views. I must say I've learned alot being a part of this board. Just when I think I know everything :rolleyes: I learn something new :D
 

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Welcome to the forum. We all have our own opinions on issues concerning our fur covered kids, and that is what makes this such a special forum. You may or may not like others opinions, but you sure learn a lot, and you get wonderful advice here from many who are experts on Bassets. This forum has been so helpful to us, enabling us to get questions answered, providing wonderful support and suggestions when we have had a sick Basset, and providing a community of cyber friends who do care, support, and understand when your beloved Basset goes to the Rainbow Bridge.
It's a great place to share our love for this special breed, with short legs, long bodies, sad eyes, and quirky clown like personalities. I do hope it will always remain that same "special place" to share our thoughts and love of these special hounds.
 

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I hope you haven't given up on us too soon. Welcome and I hope you repost your pictures! I hope you decided to spay and neuter your hounds now. Being a responsible breeder takes commitment and you seem to have your hands full with your houndies and your new addition on the way (congrats :D). Good luck and keep posting!
 
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