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Sorry for the long post….but I need some advice. Also, I know similar questions get asked a lot but I haven’t found the right answer.

Hi all. New to the group and looking for some advice about my sweet Auggie. He’s a nearly 5 month old Basset/ Pit Bull mix that we rescued about a month ago (basset body with a pit head). A week after we got him home he started limping. Obsessively read and learned all the possibilities (Pano, ALD, etc.). Took him to the vet. He stated (without xrays) that it is likely angular limb deformity. My inexperienced opinion is I agree considering you can see the deformity. His left leg appears to bow and the paw turns out at almost a 90 degree angle. whereas the right one is straight. Doc prescribed carprofen. Been giving him the carprofen about a week. No change. However, he runs, jumps, plays, and doesn’t appear to be in any pain. Doc manipulated his limbs and got no indication of pain. Doc also suggested no running or jumping down for the next 8 months. 😳 We curtail this as much as possible but he’s 5 months old and loves to run and play so it’s difficult.

Question is….should I try to find a specialist like an orthopedic vet to examine him? I’m not sure my current vet has any experience with Bassets and from what I’m reading this seems to be a big deal. I changed him off of
puppy food to adult large breed. What else should
I be doing? I live in Vegas and have had trouble even finding an “orthopedic vet”. Just worried that I’m not doing enough. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks so much.

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Well for starters, you really need to use complete crate rest and only take him out to empty, on a lead - which I appreciate for a pup of this age, might be difficult. In a way, even if pain relief works, it may be that feeling no pain means he does more damage unless you employ a strict routine that doesn't allow jumping. I'm assuming he is lame on his front? You may be looking at, eventually, surgery to try to correct what's going on there. If his deformity isn't corrected, he may become arthritic, which is a whole other problem.

I'd suggest a second opinion at least, and maybe x-ray although you can clearly see what's going on there.

If you do opt for surgery to hopefully straighten that foreleg, you should probably wait until the growth plates have closed, or you'd be looking at more than one surgery. And it's going to be costly in any case - would his breeder help with that?
 

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Thanks for the advice. I’d like to get a second opinion from a specialist but I’ve been having trouble finding one here in Vegas. Still looking though. Another group gave me some suggestions I’m looking into.
No breeder….he’s a rescue from a local rescue group.
 

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angular limb deformity is a request for proper basset conformation but tend to be more problematic in mixed with the breed especially if it result in longer limbs than the average basset. If he is on a large breed puppy formula it would be better to maintain that then switch to adult because the large breed puppy is likely less calorically dense and will have lower calcium levels and proper calcium to phosphorus ratio. If regular puppy formula adult would be better but large breed puppy better still/ The difference between large breed adult and regular adult is immaterial and often only the size of the kibble./ I would much more lean toward pano the ALD ALD is way over diagnosed in dwarf breed by vets that do not understand there conformation,. Dogs with way worse conformation than this one have lived pain free,. Angular Limb Deformity - Fitzpatrick Referrals
 

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If this is Pano, which looking at the photo of this lad I'd say it's not, as not for nothing is this called the creeping disease as it affects all limbs, not just one, (Edit - although not more than one at the same time, usually) you 'd know. And Pano is very painful. I'm glad the link to Firzpatrick has been posted here - he has done loads of ALD surgeries, often with great results. But again, I think you 'd be asked to wait rather than get into this kind of surgery on one so young (only 5 months and obviously still growing).
 

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angular limb deformity is a request for proper basset conformation but tend to be more problematic in mixed with the breed especially if it result in longer limbs than the average basset. If he is on a large breed puppy formula it would be better to maintain that then switch to adult because the large breed puppy is likely less calorically dense and will have lower calcium levels and proper calcium to phosphorus ratio. If regular puppy formula adult would be better but large breed puppy better still/ The difference between large breed adult and regular adult is immaterial and often only the size of the kibble./ I would much more lean toward pano the ALD ALD is way over diagnosed in dwarf breed by vets that do not understand there conformation,. Dogs with way worse conformation than this one have lived pain free,. Angular Limb Deformity - Fitzpatrick Referrals
Thank you. Right now he's on adult large breed (no puppy). Initially, I was mixing the regular puppy with all breed adult but just recently switched to large breed adult. Should I go back to puppy and give him large breed puppy? I finally found two possible ortho vets in my area to consult and have sent out messages to get appointments.
 

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If this is Pano, which looking at the photo of this lad I'd say it's not, as not for nothing is this called the creeping disease as it affects all limbs, not just one, you 'd know. And Pano is very painful. I'm glad the link to Firzpatrick has been posted here - he has done loads of ALD surgeries, often with great results. But again, I think you 'd be asked to wait rather than get into this kind of surgery on one so young (only 5 months and obviously still growing).
Thanks. I looked at the Fitz link, but it appears to be outside the US. Am I missing something? I did finally find someone in my area and I'm working on a appointment. Thanks for the input.
 

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Thank you. Right now he's on adult large breed (no puppy). Initially, I was mixing the regular puppy with all breed adult but just recently switched to large breed adult. Should I go back to puppy and give him large breed puppy? I finally found two possible ortho vets in my area to consult and have sent out messages to get appointments.
As said, the products only really vary in the size of the kibble if you are talking about feeding 'large breed' food. I think, on balance, I'd keep him on puppy food for a few more months. Mine tended to go ff puppy food by around 8 months, by which time I'd switch to either a Junior version, if available, or to Adult.

Noel Fitzpatrick is based in the South of England. But his online articles are interesting and informative, if nothing else. He's EXTREMELY expensive in any case - and much of his work tends to be with people who have pet insurance, to cover his charges.
 

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"nothing is this called the creeping disease as it affects all limbs, not just one, '

1 PANO may or may not effect multiple limbs in a dog and also multiple time. it can happen but it is very rare that it effects two or more limbs at the same. time In use caused wandering lameness or growing pains. wandering because typical pain last only up to 3 week a rest bit then another limb effect. Typical on set it 5-6 month of age, male and left front leg but any limb cam be effected. it is the most misdiagnosed orthopedic condition in basset hounds and result in many uneeded surgeries.

"our dog evie suffers from really bad panosteitis (growing pains), she gets it in a different leg every 5-6 weeks lasting about 4-5 days each time...the vet has said all we can do is rest her and give her painkillers "

"Paneosteitis is an elusive ailment occasionally seen in young Bassets. It is also known as wandering or transient lameness.Attacks are usually brought on by stress and aggravated by activity, and up to now, the cause and the cure are unknown. This mysterious disease causes sudden lameness, but its greatest potential danger may lie in false diagnosis, resulting in unnecessary surgery. A puppy will typically outgrow it by the age of two with no long term problems. It can be quite minor, or so bad that the dog will not put any weight on the leg. " ... "In diagnosing the cause of a Basset’s lameness, a radiograph of the forelimbs may indicate a condition called elbow incongruity. (Elbow incongruity is a poor fit between the 3 bones which comprise the elbow joint.) Studies to date indicate that elbow incongruity is normal in the Basset and is not the cause of the lameness. It is also suspected that many of the previously mentioned unnecessary (panosteitis) surgeries have been performed on Basset pups just because radiographs that were taken showed elbow incongruity. A study on forelimb lameness in the Basset is currently underway at the School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania. As previously mentioned they have determined that elbow incongruity occurs in the Basset but suspect that incongruity rarely causes the lameness. During the course of the study, conservative therapy will be recommended for all cases in which panosteitis appears to be the cause of the lameness. In cases with severe growth deformities or elbow pain associated with elbow incongruity, surgery may be recommended. If your Basset develops lameness and is diagnosed with an “elbow problem”, discuss with your veterinarian the possibility of panosteitis. "
 

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Is the dog neutered? if not do not do so until fully mature 18 mths to 2 years of age. doing so early with exacerbate any ALD. because neutering delays the closure of Growth plates. The growth plates on dogs close at different times. some plate close as early as 3-4 mnths of age. In paired leg bones in the front and rear bones metering after some growth plates closed but not all is going to result in one bone growing longer than it would otherwise which will make any ALD worse,
 
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