i have been giving these shots for the last few years now,with no problems what so ever.this used to be a problem many years ago and now it seems it's cycle has come back around again.i think a lot of the problem is not to many people are fur trapping any more,some people may not like the sport but it is very helpful in controling disease's like this one.
Leptospirosis
I recently was contactd by my vet about the leptospirosis vaccine. Apparently they are seeing more of this disease in my area, Maryland. Does anyone else have their hounds vaccinated for this? Any ill effects from the vaccine??
I know it is transmited from animal urine like, oppusum, raccon and such.
I know it is transmited from animal urine like, oppusum, raccon and such.
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My house backs right up to a small wooded area with a creek. We frequently see deer, fox, bunnies and possum. And, even if we haven't seen a racoon, I'm certain they are there. I am very comfortable with my vet but with so many vaccines these days, I just want to make certain this is somthing they need.
Is this not a vaccine given with puppy shots? I worked for a Vet a while back and the puppy shots were like DHLPP-Distemper-hepatites-lepto-Parvo and parafluenza. I may not have spelled them correctly but you know what I mean.
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I think you're right, Bubbad. My dog has been getting that combo ... and I think my dog years ago used to get it, too. We do not live in a rural area with critters around (except wild rabbits), but I do take her on trips to a rurual area in northern Michigan 4-5 times a year. http://www.labbies.com/lepto.htm has a good summary of the disease, causes, etc.
the 5 in one puppy shots do not have lepto,these shots are the most common given to pups the first 2 times.the 7 in one shots do have lepto,they are given on the third shot and the following shots.at least that is the way we have always done it.
Vets in my area (Northern California) have also noted an increase in lepto. They are recommending the shots if you live in a rural area and your dogs have a fairly large run--especially if it includes streams and the like.
[ July 15, 2005, 01:22 AM: Message edited by: S. Hall ]
[ July 15, 2005, 01:22 AM: Message edited by: S. Hall ]
you are right pinehawk.As adults are they not given the lepto yearly? Are they saying this is a different strain? Or just better to be safe than sorry? I know people can get lepto so maybe just a precaution.
The two strains in the combo vaccine are not that prevelent in recent outbrakes Two of the major strains have been added to the Fort Dodge stand alone vaccine making it a better choice.
Here the Problem, leptosprosis is a bacterial disease not a viral one. Vaccines are quite effective against viruses for extend period of time recent studies have shown in general many times extend period than the longevity listed by the manufacture. Bacterial vaccines have not proved as effect, for many dogs the protection just does last even a full year. there is a question of the risk of vaccine being to high given that Secondly since it is a bacterial infection that is treatable with antibiotics effectively, if properly diagnosed 3. there are at lease 9 common variant of the lepto bacteria that cause disease(over 200 known) at best only four are contained in a vaccine so to some extent the vaccine can cause a false sense of security. Yes it is very possible to get the disease even if vaccinated for it. One also has to consider the proximity an individual dog is to the disease organism. It is general and outdoor (woodsy) water borne disease. If the dog does not come into contact with that environment then the risk of the disease is greatly reduced.
FWIW from copy of letter in the Evidence Based Vet Forum
"...1. Immunity to Leptospirosis is complex and poorly understood. It can only be measured by challenge studies. This is ethically unacceptable so we have to examine what is happening in the field by epidemiological methods (5).
2. Kansas University reports that the Leptospirosis vaccine is THE major cause of vaccine reactions, so much so that they consider the risks outweigh the benefits. It is no longer considered a core vaccine and they even recommend it should not be given to puppies (9,14).
3. Another study found the vaccine highly immunosuppressive and recommended that the vaccine should not be given in conjunction with other vaccines (it is currently in the UK).
4. The Leptospirosis vaccine does not protect the dog from being infected with the disease; it just minimizes the clinical symptoms. Hence there seems to be/have been a real risk of vaccinated healthy dogs shedding the spirochetes so possibly posing a threat to other dogs and humans. Although one manufacturer has recently claimed it has a new vaccine to prevent this, the clinical study conducted to test the vaccine was based on a sample of only 6 dogs (15). In our opinion a study so narrowly based cannot of course be scientifically credible.
5. The duration of immunity measurable by titre induced by the Leptospirosis vaccine can be as little as a few months (14,16) yet the advised interval for boosters is 1 year, which it seems has been an entirely arbitrary recommendation. By inference it may well be therefore that even vaccinated dogs have not been protected as their owners expect.
6. There is little protection between serovars (types). Use of the vaccine in the USA has led to a shift in the serovars such that the serovars now infecting dogs are not the ones used in the vaccines (14). Can we assume this is true also in the UK? Are we now vaccinating against a disease that barely exists in the form vaccinated for? ..."
"Reference:
1. Allport et al, Letter in Veterinary Times 26-01-04 Call to cease the Policy of Annual Vaccination
2.Gaskell et al (2002) Veterinary Products
Committee (VPC) working group of feline and canine vaccination final report to the VPC. DEFRA, PB 6432
http://www.vpc.gov.uk
3. BSAVA/BVA joint statement on the vaccination controversy 2004. http://www.bsava.co.uk
4. Veterinary Review (2004) Looking Reality in the Eye. An interview with BSAVA President Ian Mason. Pg 20-22, April 2004.
5. Paul M et al, (2003) Report of the American Animal Hospital association
(AAHA) Canine Vaccine Taskforce: Executive Summary and 2003 Canine Vaccine Guidelines and Recommendations. Journal of the American Animal Hospital Association. 39,
119-131
6. Bohm M et al, (2004) Serum antibody titres to Canine Parvovirus, adenovirus and distemper virus in dogs in the UK which had not been vaccinated for at least 3 years. The Veterinary Record April 10, 2004. 457-463
7. Richards J et al (2001) 2000 Report of the American Association of Feline Practitioners and Academy of Feline Medicine Advisory Panel on Feline Vaccines. Journal of Feline Medicine and Surgery 3, 47-72
8. Meyer EK (2001) Vaccine Associated adverse events. Veterinary Clinics of North America Small Animal Practice 31, 493-514
9. http://www.newss.ksu.edu/WEB/News/NewsRele...puppy11138.html
10. Intervet Mailing to Veterinary Surgeons
11. Report of the Cat Group on Vaccination. http//www.users.waitrose.com/~thecatgroup/vacc.html
12. Intervet Mailing to Veterinary Surgeons 22-03-04
13. Nelson M (2004) Freda shows the BVA what to expect. Vet Times 26-04-04 p5
14. Greene C et al (2001) Canine Vaccination. Veterinary Clinics of North America Small Animal Practice 31, 473-492
15. Intervet Literature on Nobivac Lepto 2 at last. A lepto vaccine that inhibits renal shedding 2004.
16. Coyne MJ, (2001) Duration of Immunity in Dogs after vaccination or naturally acquired infection. The Veterinary Record 149, 509-515.
17. Vaccination in Cats: which ones and how often? Report in Vet Record April 10
2004, pg 452
18. Sparkes A. The Vaccination debate continues. Veterinary Review May
2004 38-39"
[ July 16, 2005, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Toughynutter ]
Here the Problem, leptosprosis is a bacterial disease not a viral one. Vaccines are quite effective against viruses for extend period of time recent studies have shown in general many times extend period than the longevity listed by the manufacture. Bacterial vaccines have not proved as effect, for many dogs the protection just does last even a full year. there is a question of the risk of vaccine being to high given that Secondly since it is a bacterial infection that is treatable with antibiotics effectively, if properly diagnosed 3. there are at lease 9 common variant of the lepto bacteria that cause disease(over 200 known) at best only four are contained in a vaccine so to some extent the vaccine can cause a false sense of security. Yes it is very possible to get the disease even if vaccinated for it. One also has to consider the proximity an individual dog is to the disease organism. It is general and outdoor (woodsy) water borne disease. If the dog does not come into contact with that environment then the risk of the disease is greatly reduced.
FWIW from copy of letter in the Evidence Based Vet Forum
"...1. Immunity to Leptospirosis is complex and poorly understood. It can only be measured by challenge studies. This is ethically unacceptable so we have to examine what is happening in the field by epidemiological methods (5).
2. Kansas University reports that the Leptospirosis vaccine is THE major cause of vaccine reactions, so much so that they consider the risks outweigh the benefits. It is no longer considered a core vaccine and they even recommend it should not be given to puppies (9,14).
3. Another study found the vaccine highly immunosuppressive and recommended that the vaccine should not be given in conjunction with other vaccines (it is currently in the UK).
4. The Leptospirosis vaccine does not protect the dog from being infected with the disease; it just minimizes the clinical symptoms. Hence there seems to be/have been a real risk of vaccinated healthy dogs shedding the spirochetes so possibly posing a threat to other dogs and humans. Although one manufacturer has recently claimed it has a new vaccine to prevent this, the clinical study conducted to test the vaccine was based on a sample of only 6 dogs (15). In our opinion a study so narrowly based cannot of course be scientifically credible.
5. The duration of immunity measurable by titre induced by the Leptospirosis vaccine can be as little as a few months (14,16) yet the advised interval for boosters is 1 year, which it seems has been an entirely arbitrary recommendation. By inference it may well be therefore that even vaccinated dogs have not been protected as their owners expect.
6. There is little protection between serovars (types). Use of the vaccine in the USA has led to a shift in the serovars such that the serovars now infecting dogs are not the ones used in the vaccines (14). Can we assume this is true also in the UK? Are we now vaccinating against a disease that barely exists in the form vaccinated for? ..."
"Reference:
1. Allport et al, Letter in Veterinary Times 26-01-04 Call to cease the Policy of Annual Vaccination
2.Gaskell et al (2002) Veterinary Products
Committee (VPC) working group of feline and canine vaccination final report to the VPC. DEFRA, PB 6432
http://www.vpc.gov.uk
3. BSAVA/BVA joint statement on the vaccination controversy 2004. http://www.bsava.co.uk
4. Veterinary Review (2004) Looking Reality in the Eye. An interview with BSAVA President Ian Mason. Pg 20-22, April 2004.
5. Paul M et al, (2003) Report of the American Animal Hospital association
(AAHA) Canine Vaccine Taskforce: Executive Summary and 2003 Canine Vaccine Guidelines and Recommendations. Journal of the American Animal Hospital Association. 39,
119-131
6. Bohm M et al, (2004) Serum antibody titres to Canine Parvovirus, adenovirus and distemper virus in dogs in the UK which had not been vaccinated for at least 3 years. The Veterinary Record April 10, 2004. 457-463
7. Richards J et al (2001) 2000 Report of the American Association of Feline Practitioners and Academy of Feline Medicine Advisory Panel on Feline Vaccines. Journal of Feline Medicine and Surgery 3, 47-72
8. Meyer EK (2001) Vaccine Associated adverse events. Veterinary Clinics of North America Small Animal Practice 31, 493-514
9. http://www.newss.ksu.edu/WEB/News/NewsRele...puppy11138.html
10. Intervet Mailing to Veterinary Surgeons
11. Report of the Cat Group on Vaccination. http//www.users.waitrose.com/~thecatgroup/vacc.html
12. Intervet Mailing to Veterinary Surgeons 22-03-04
13. Nelson M (2004) Freda shows the BVA what to expect. Vet Times 26-04-04 p5
14. Greene C et al (2001) Canine Vaccination. Veterinary Clinics of North America Small Animal Practice 31, 473-492
15. Intervet Literature on Nobivac Lepto 2 at last. A lepto vaccine that inhibits renal shedding 2004.
16. Coyne MJ, (2001) Duration of Immunity in Dogs after vaccination or naturally acquired infection. The Veterinary Record 149, 509-515.
17. Vaccination in Cats: which ones and how often? Report in Vet Record April 10
2004, pg 452
18. Sparkes A. The Vaccination debate continues. Veterinary Review May
2004 38-39"
[ July 16, 2005, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Toughynutter ]
Lepto is one of the few disease that is transferable between dogs and humans for an addition factor to consider on whether to vaccinate or not.
[ July 16, 2005, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: Toughynutter ]
[ July 16, 2005, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: Toughynutter ]
Toughy...thank you for your input. Gosh, I just don't know...... 
My hounds are enclosed in a fenced in acre that backs up to a stream and woods. We occasionally walk back there with the dogs. I also have a 2 1/2 year old daughter to consider. It just seems like there are soooo many vaccinations. Anyone else from the mid-atlantic area or elsewhere have any other thoughts?
My hounds are enclosed in a fenced in acre that backs up to a stream and woods. We occasionally walk back there with the dogs. I also have a 2 1/2 year old daughter to consider. It just seems like there are soooo many vaccinations. Anyone else from the mid-atlantic area or elsewhere have any other thoughts?
i give my own shots and i buy the ones that give the most protection.like most things now all you can do is your best and hope nothing bad happens.just like the flu shots only protect against certain strains,you get a flu shot and sometimes you still get sick.field and hunting dogs should be the ones to watch,and as of yet i have not heard of anyones dogs coming down with anything funky yet.i think i'm going to start running my dogs this week to get them tuned up for the trials and i do have a real nice young male that is showing some promise,he just needs to get on more rabbits.
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