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..Or are they arms? We r talkin' bout my 2 front legs (arms) here.

Promise i'd give an update here bout what i found & what's happened to me. Well, the issue is relatively minor. Me started out in life w/straight legs, and over the course of the year, am getting progressively turned out, which seems normal for bassets. But am also getting knuckled over, too.

So we went to see my vet about it re: external supports I read about here. Dr. D referred me to a Specialist Center.

Lemme tell u, it was the saddest place i ever been too :( Because there were Ortho, Neuro, & Oncology. Dogs going thru cancer treatments there. Me saw a 3-legged dog. And dogs w/paralysis. so sad. but it was kewl to see all the rehab equipment they have there for dawgs.

I saw a Physical Therapy Rehab specialist for 1 visit. She thought I should try Thera-Paw Carpo-Flex Sports Wrap. Therapaw's Carpo-Flex Sports Wrap for Dogs. Actually, a prescription is not needed for the standard sizes. But because I have odd measurements, we had to get custom made ones, which do cost more and require a prescription.

They came last week & seem kewl so far. I just wear them when i go running in the park (~30-60 min/day) or on walks. We are hoping it will slow down the knuckling over, since I am still growing. I have been gaining some weight recently, so that will probably put more pressure on my legs (arms).

so yeah, that's the story there. Feel free to ask me more ??s about it.
--your friend, Worm
 

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What is "knuckling over" exactly? pooor worm :(

And yeah, that's what I thought when I went to Hank's eye specialist. It was so nerve wrecking because I saw so many different animals (not just dogs) going there with bad eyes. I saw a mainecoone cat there that was huge and was apparently going blind or something :(

Please keep us updated on the walking!
Does it make Worm's legs get straighter, too? Or just slow down the knuckling...
 

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WORM! this is awesome. I tried wrapping bowser's legs before, but kind of gave up because it was hard to tell if it was too tight, and he hated it.
Hmmm maybe PM me where you went, since i know we're not too far apart? : )

i can't remember where i posted bowser's leg photos before, so i'll just do it again. hank's mom...it's when the elbows kind of stick out, sorta! Like this! (there's some of when he was little and less crooked too)
 

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So sorry Worm bout your front legs – I hope it doesn’t hurt. The things you have to wear look like what we put on our thoroughbred race horses. They really liked it when we put them on – I hope you also get comfort from wearing them.

Jaleey – your puppy is sooooo cute :)

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Does it make Worm's legs get straighter, too? Or just slow down the knuckling...
just the knuckling over which is thought to be related to to mock laxcticity in the ligimentent of the carpal area ie wrist.

it's when the elbows kind of stick out, sorta!
just for a little clarification the elbow joint on a basset is the first joint below the shoulder and is general above the bottom of the chest on bassets and other dwarf breeds. The carpal joint is the equivelent of the human wrist and in the photos is what bends forward of the fron feet, Keep in mind dog walk on their toes and finger so working the joint back from the spine for the human equivelent general works better than from the foot to the spine. That the rear fott for example human heel is on the ground wheres as the dog equivelent is up in the air as would occur if you walk on your tippy toes.

There is a school of thought that it is caused by laxtivity in the ligaments and by supporting and wraping one can couse these ligiment to tighten or atleast preven continued hyperextension.


below is a picture of knuckling over with a straighter leg breed it more easily defined what we are talking about


and it can be way more severe



In order for the front assemply to work properly and get the feet unde the chest the leg must be crooked. However such trait is polygenetic meaning it takes multiple genes in the right combination to accmplish but it is unlike that there is only a single combination that works. It is whya when breeding basset with perfect fronts form two very distink lines the odd of getting good fronts are much less than bredding to dogs from related lines with good fronts. Another thing that people and vets do not consider is that by spaynuetering in the six month to 14 month time frame is that nuetering delays the closure of growth plate but by six month some plate have started or have close while other remain open by spaying and nuetering in this time frame you can change the relationship of bone pair lengths that would have occure naturally and possibly exagerate elbow inconguites that lead to fiddle front ie feet pointing east-west rater than north-south. Of course this is speculation and there has not been any studies on this posiible effect and if it does occur to what extent. But it is a stong enough possibility that it is include as a reason by some vets involved in dogs sports to recommend spay.nuetering after maturity if you are going to do so.

Keep in mind it is very difficult to impossible to sort through if such incongruities are the result of genetics, trauma or other outside influence like nutrition and spay/nuetering etc. and what role any one has in any particular case.
 

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Oh WWorrmmie I think you will look very handsome in your new leg (arm) braces and very athletic too!!! You will look just like the joggers that wear the sweat bands on their wrists and mybe yoyr Mommy can get you a scarf to match!!!
Mikey that second picture is quite alarming!! I know it would be in the extreme and wonder why someone would let it get that far. Surely there would be a surgery to correct this??? I am wondering if or why especially in a shorter breed as the basset the growth plates are not zapped ( I am using that word for lack of another ) to prevent further growth. i know this can be done in humans to let a shorter leg catch up to a longer leg -- they do this near the end of growth and will "zap" the longer leg so that the shorter one catches up thus hoping that both legs turn out to be approx the same lenghth.
 

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probably expense, paisley. i know when i took bowser in they wanted 150 just to talk to a doc on the phone, and said the whole visit would be at least 300. of course, later the guy also said that bowser was too old to have any braces do any good. i disagreed, but like i said wrapping didn't really do anything. I saw another website similar to this one before, but that one wasn't quite right.
Truthfully i kind of gave up. We started him on glucosamine, yucka powder, and he's still got a few adaquan shots left. i think after the first 150 & 300 initial cost, i was quoted 3,000 for surgery...as a minimum. so...blah. lol

P.S. i'm sorry to ramble a bit...I actually think it would be awesome if they could zap the cartilage, but then i started thinking about how some vets would just love to find something else to charge people for. It would be so wonderful if they thought more of the animal's health, and how much that animal can mean to family, and the quality of life. So...I rant about money. sorry! hehe
Bah, i also harbor a lot of guilt, because i feel like i did this to my boy by encouraging him to go up and down stairs, or play too rough, or i didn't give him proper nutrition. Really, he has horrible genetics. But, I always feel like i should do more for him, and should have.
Wormy, your mom is awesome for getting you some leg brace thingies! Okay again i'm gonna stop rambling now *lol*
 

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( I am using that word for lack of another ) to prevent further growth. i know this can be done in humans to let a shorter leg catch up to a longer leg -- they do this near the end of growth and will "zap" the longer leg so that the shorter one catches up thus hoping that both legs turn out to be approx the same length
see there are various techinquies used depending on the problem
Ununited Anconeal Process, Ununited Medial Coronoid Process, Ununited Medial Epicondyle, Patella Cubiti, and Sesamoidal Fragments of the Elbow

RADIAL AND ULNAR OSTEOTOMY

see ELBOW INCONGRUITY ASSESSMENT & TREATMENT


 

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know it would be in the extreme and wonder why someone would let it get that far. Surely there would be a surgery to correct this???
keep in mind these are young puppies the dog in the second picture is 9 weeks old the problem occured over a very short span in the second case likely HOD is playing a part which is the now known rappid growth and over calcium suplimentation play a part in niether case was surgery required





these were crroected with splints and diet changes but again in young puppies so I caution about extrapulating to their effectiveness in an onder puppy like wormy.

Carpal laxity syndrome in forty-three puppies.
Malnutrition or over-nutrition of rapidly growing large breed puppies causes weakness and irregular tension between extensor and flexor muscle groups, which leads to laxity of the carpal joint. Exercise and commercially available balanced diets without any other treatment is usually enough to achieve physical and functional recovery

Canine carpal conundrums




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Worm, did you ever get your leg brace? I was looking for an update, but couldn't find anything. Just asking, as when I get paid at the end of the week, I need to order Biscuit's leg brace. This is the one she will be getting:

OrthoVet Standard Front Leg Splint

I'll check in tomorrow; going to head off for bed now.
 

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..Or are they arms? We r talkin' bout my 2 front legs (arms) here.

I saw a Physical Therapy Rehab specialist for 1 visit. She thought I should try Thera-Paw Carpo-Flex Sports Wrap. Therapaw's Carpo-Flex Sports Wrap for Dogs. Actually, a prescription is not needed for the standard sizes. But because I have odd measurements, we had to get custom made ones, which do cost more and require a prescription.

They came last week & seem kewl so far. I just wear them when i go running in the park (~30-60 min/day) or on walks. We are hoping it will slow down the knuckling over, since I am still growing. I have been gaining some weight recently, so that will probably put more pressure on my legs (arms).

so yeah, that's the story there. Feel free to ask me more ??s about it.
--your friend, Worm
Heya Miss Biskit!!

Worm here & thanks for da bump! sorry i missed it da first time around.
yeah, so... methinks Mikey knows a company too & we brought that in to my "physical therapist." she wanted us to use the company above because she was more familiar with it & had gotten carpal tunnel wraps from them before for her other patients.

they worked pretty well wethinks. would wear it to the park. started to notice that my elbows started coming out a little bit (elbow dysplasia? a little of what Bowsah has), so then I've stopped wearing it for the past coupla months. also cuz it wuz rainy season here & they would get muddies!

but, my person says that i'm gonna hafta start wearing them again, esp when i run around & do laps at the park.

yeah... so that's the update. did ya wanna picture of me in them? my person kept saying she wuz gonna take one but she never did... but we can today....
--Worm :cool:
 

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Yes, pictures please!

Did your paw turn under, too? I like the looks of the wrap, but our vet recommended the splint to get her paw back in position. Maybe the wrap is something I could get after a time when her leg gets better.
 

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Geez, my person finally paid attenshun to me and gave me a modeling session tonite. she says sorry it took so long cuz she wuz "wurkin'" all long weekend...

anyway, I don't think my paws are affected as severely, so no they don't turn under. just the midway bony part sticks out (forward).

well, here are some pics of me as a racehorse, is how i like to think of it! my person wuz gonna take some of just my legs, but i went to bed and curled up to sleep...

--hi five, Worm :cool:
ps. let us know how it goes, Ms. Biskit!
 

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Did your paw turn under, too?
the carpal wraps help are to help knuckling over ie paw turning under I don't think they will help with elbow inconguiety ie feet pointing out two much keeping in mind basset feet are suppose to turn out slightly.
 
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