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Food for thought...first, nothing against Dexter, but NO responsible breeder would breed dogs not registered with either the AKC or Canadian KC. Second, when Dexter comes home, his mind will likely be on "other things". He'll always be looking for the next bitch in season, and will try to dig, climb, or chew his way out, to get to her. Lastly, stud dogs don't generally tolerate other male dogs as part of the family. If a bitch is obtained from this breeding, spaying her before her first season will prevent an accidental father-daughter breeding. 
Thanks for putting this message in the right category. Sorry about that. We are still planning on having Dexter neutered. As soon as this "litter" is finished. Dexter IS registered. And so is the female. But Dexter is registered with the Continental Kennel Club and Lilly is with the Canadian Kennel Club. I had just mentioned about offspring, however at the present time, we are not considering taking on another dog. I am very aware of interbreeding and wouldn't take any chances of that occuring. I even went as far as to check Lilly's pedigree to make sure that these two dogs were no way related. We are very responsible pet owners and have all our other pets fixed. Just that Dexter wasn't at this point and decided to let him father a litter first (and only time). It breaks my heart to see so many homeless pets and I wouldn't want to contribute to this mess. All these pups are spoken for and they will be going to family members of the female, and who surely want to own a Basset hound but aren't as lucky in our territory to be able to adopt one.
I hope I didn't offend anyone with my posting, I just wanted to share my experience with you all.
[ February 19, 2004, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: Dexter's Mom ]
I hope I didn't offend anyone with my posting, I just wanted to share my experience with you all.
[ February 19, 2004, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: Dexter's Mom ]
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Continental Kennel Club is one of the many "registries" favored by puppy mills and BYBs. Continental KC advertises itself as "The All Breed "Hassle-Free" Kennel Club". Registration is cheap, easy, and unregulated. Responsible breeders don't use Continental Kennel Club; to them a dog with Continental Kennel Club registration is pretty much the same as an unregistered dog, because offspring of a dog with Continental Kennel Club registration only are not eligible for AKC or Canadian Kennel Club registration.
See also
CKC & APR: Today's "In" Registries for PuppyMillers
Differences in Kennel Clubs
About Dog Registries and Kennel Clubs
[ February 19, 2004, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: Betsy Iole ]
See also
CKC & APR: Today's "In" Registries for PuppyMillers
Differences in Kennel Clubs
About Dog Registries and Kennel Clubs
[ February 19, 2004, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: Betsy Iole ]
Don't think I'm jumpimg on you, but some things to consider are....The pups you and this lady will have, might be returned. And you'll have to be ready to take the new dogs back any time. In 6 months to 10 years someone might want to return the dog for what ever reason.
And will they all be fixed? Or in the future your newspaper could have ads like," cute basset pups cheap, free basset mixes to good homes only, and lost 2 dogs look like bassets" A few years ago I would have said basset are rare to my area, but they have snowballed, and those ads are in the paper. Also the shelter has more bassets, and basset mixes. Can you get a contract to state all the pups will be fixed? Can you be sure this lady won't be breeding one or two of these puppies? Dexter could be a greatgrandpa in no time.
I hope both dogs are free of all genetic problems, and are old enough to know they are really healthy.
Joan
And will they all be fixed? Or in the future your newspaper could have ads like," cute basset pups cheap, free basset mixes to good homes only, and lost 2 dogs look like bassets" A few years ago I would have said basset are rare to my area, but they have snowballed, and those ads are in the paper. Also the shelter has more bassets, and basset mixes. Can you get a contract to state all the pups will be fixed? Can you be sure this lady won't be breeding one or two of these puppies? Dexter could be a greatgrandpa in no time.
I hope both dogs are free of all genetic problems, and are old enough to know they are really healthy.
Joan
I'm sorry if I misled you guys about this situation. This lady who had decided to breed her female Basset, isn't new to this stuff. She used to breed German shepherds and Chiuauas over her lifetime (She showed me here old contract forms) and she still guarantees her offsprings. She hasn't used her kennel for a while for breeding, but decided to do this one time with her Basset. She does have contracts made up, (I've read & signed), for owners that they must have pups spayed/or neutered, guarantees of health, return, the contracts also say these pups are in no way to be sold to a second party or neglected (vet checks) etc. She is an experienced breeder but hasn't been in what I call "business" for a while. She's also not out for the almighty "buck".
Our vet was aware of this beforehand. And he gave the go-ahead. Stating that both dogs are in excellent health (signed papers for proof).
I didn't feel like posting all the ins and outs of this in here. Just wanted to let you know that Dexter may father a litter.
But if you need to know, this procedure is being done as professionally as possible. As far as the Canadian KC is concerned, they will register the pups and all is agreed upon.
When we bought Dexter (second owners), I frowned upon the fact that he wasn't with a recogonized club, but we weren't going to neglect this dog just because of where he was registered by his breeder. That alone doesn't necessarily make him a bad breed.
This is in no way going to be a "back-yard" breeding or mill!
I hope I have cleared up this matter for you and have no hard feeling towards this topic. I do understand the hardships of dog breeding in this world and shun upon anyone who isn't as responsible with their animals as they would be with their own children.
Thanks for your concerns.
Our vet was aware of this beforehand. And he gave the go-ahead. Stating that both dogs are in excellent health (signed papers for proof).
I didn't feel like posting all the ins and outs of this in here. Just wanted to let you know that Dexter may father a litter.
But if you need to know, this procedure is being done as professionally as possible. As far as the Canadian KC is concerned, they will register the pups and all is agreed upon.
When we bought Dexter (second owners), I frowned upon the fact that he wasn't with a recogonized club, but we weren't going to neglect this dog just because of where he was registered by his breeder. That alone doesn't necessarily make him a bad breed.
This is in no way going to be a "back-yard" breeding or mill!
I hope I have cleared up this matter for you and have no hard feeling towards this topic. I do understand the hardships of dog breeding in this world and shun upon anyone who isn't as responsible with their animals as they would be with their own children.
Thanks for your concerns.
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I'd be interested to know more about this. I just double-checked with the Canadian Kennel Club and was informed categorically that they don't recognize the Continental Kennel Club--no way, no how.
Dexter's Mom, I've been watching this thread with more than a little dismay.
And much as I hate to say it, your last post confirms for me the breeder is likely a basic BYB who has learned just enough lingo to squeeze through the categories.
I also wonder if you realize this is about more than the sheer massive overpopulation of dogs. Bassets are very highly bred critters --- they're very inbred, in other words --- and without a good knowledge of genetics and full knowledge of the genetics of each pup, you're running some pretty scary risks --- glaucoma, for one. And you're running these risks at a much higher rate than there is in mutt populations or even human populations (except for isolated inbred groups of people).
I know that from the very first moment I laid eyes on Biscuit, I thought he was the most beautiful doggie in the world. And I thought that - well, i still think it. But he was also a structural nightmare - everything way too exaggerated on a tiny body, and the most fiddle fronted pup I've ever seen.
But it took me years to even see or understand that the very things which made him so very charming were also potentially disastrous faults. Esp. for a breed which is so very inbred.
Notto mention, even if that area has no bassets now, they will likely be overrun very soon, just like most of the US, thanks to breeders looking for their place in underrepresented markets.
And much as I hate to say it, your last post confirms for me the breeder is likely a basic BYB who has learned just enough lingo to squeeze through the categories.
I also wonder if you realize this is about more than the sheer massive overpopulation of dogs. Bassets are very highly bred critters --- they're very inbred, in other words --- and without a good knowledge of genetics and full knowledge of the genetics of each pup, you're running some pretty scary risks --- glaucoma, for one.
And you're running these risks at a much higher rate than there is in mutt populations or even human populations (except for isolated inbred groups of people).I know that from the very first moment I laid eyes on Biscuit, I thought he was the most beautiful doggie in the world. And I thought that - well, i still think it. But he was also a structural nightmare - everything way too exaggerated on a tiny body, and the most fiddle fronted pup I've ever seen.
But it took me years to even see or understand that the very things which made him so very charming were also potentially disastrous faults. Esp. for a breed which is so very inbred.
Notto mention, even if that area has no bassets now, they will likely be overrun very soon, just like most of the US, thanks to breeders looking for their place in underrepresented markets.
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Sounds like maybe it's time for links discussing the topics of responsible breeding vs. backyard breeding. This is a harder distinction to define and understand than responsible breeding vs. puppymill, which tends to be more clear-cut.
First link is to BHCA's Health Policy. Bassets can be affected by several genetically inherited diseases that don't show up until a dog is middle-aged or older, well beyond the time s/he may have been used for breeding. Glaucoma is probably the breed's worst problem in this regard. This is why a simple vet check before breeding is inadequate to determine whether a basset should be used for breeding. The Health Policy lists those screening tests that can identify bassets that may be carriers for these diseases or that may be predisposed to developing these diseases later in life. From A Comparison of Responsible Breeders and Backyard Breeders
Breeder Definitions
Are You a Backyard Breeder?
The Backyard Breeders' and Puppy Millers' Big Book of Old Excuses
And here is a thoughtful discussion of responsible, ethical breeding
Making a Difference: Being a Responsible Dog Breeder
[ February 20, 2004, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: Betsy Iole ]
First link is to BHCA's Health Policy. Bassets can be affected by several genetically inherited diseases that don't show up until a dog is middle-aged or older, well beyond the time s/he may have been used for breeding. Glaucoma is probably the breed's worst problem in this regard. This is why a simple vet check before breeding is inadequate to determine whether a basset should be used for breeding. The Health Policy lists those screening tests that can identify bassets that may be carriers for these diseases or that may be predisposed to developing these diseases later in life. From A Comparison of Responsible Breeders and Backyard Breeders
Here are some more general links on the subject of responsible breeding vs. backyard breeding.
Breeder Definitions
Are You a Backyard Breeder?
The Backyard Breeders' and Puppy Millers' Big Book of Old Excuses
And here is a thoughtful discussion of responsible, ethical breeding
Making a Difference: Being a Responsible Dog Breeder
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According to the Daily Drool's Basset Basset Rescue Contact Phone Numbers for the US & Canadathere are several basset rescue people in Nova Scotia and one on Prince Edward Island. At least two are responsible breeders and at least one a conformation judge. If there's basset rescue I would think there would be bassets available for adoption.
Sounds to me like this woman has done some fast talking and gotten you and your Dexter involved in a breeding program that has BYBer written all over it. Maybe the breeding won't take and you can refer these people who desperately want a basset hound to the rescuers I mentioned above. Another possibility is New England-sure wouldn't cost anywhere near $5000 for a dog and travel expenses.
Sounds to me like this woman has done some fast talking and gotten you and your Dexter involved in a breeding program that has BYBer written all over it. Maybe the breeding won't take and you can refer these people who desperately want a basset hound to the rescuers I mentioned above. Another possibility is New England-sure wouldn't cost anywhere near $5000 for a dog and travel expenses.
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>>>But if you need to know, this procedure is being done as professionally as possible. As far as the Canadian KC is concerned, they will register the pups and all is agreed upon. <<<
The Canadian Kennel Club absolutely will not register the puppies unless both parents are CKC registered or registered with a recognized body, which the Continental Kennel Club is not. This woman is spinning you a line.
As far as bassets being rare there, off the top of my head I can think of three reputable breeders in the maritimes {Kennedy, McKinnon, Cook}, two are very well known, plus others in Maine, New England, Quebec and Vermont. There is no shortage of bassets.
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The Canadian Kennel Club absolutely will not register the puppies unless both parents are CKC registered or registered with a recognized body, which the Continental Kennel Club is not. This woman is spinning you a line.
As far as bassets being rare there, off the top of my head I can think of three reputable breeders in the maritimes {Kennedy, McKinnon, Cook}, two are very well known, plus others in Maine, New England, Quebec and Vermont. There is no shortage of bassets.
[ February 22, 2004, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: Soundtrack ]
Hi Everyone!!
I am new to this forum, and I've been watching how you guys have been treating Dexter's Mom. I think she only wanted to receive a little comfort and sympathy from other Basset owners. Instead, all she got was a scolding from all of you. That is really messed up!
I've been a Basset owner for 6 years now, and I understand how she feels since in January I took my girl to a couple's home where they have a male Basset. I was soooo sad, that 2 days later I was picking her up. I just couldn't deal with the separation. I missed her so much that I was even ready to forget the whole breeding thing.
Since my ex-boyfriend has a Basset also, (I had rescued him from an abusive household 2 years ago), I decided to mate him with my girl. My puppies are almost 4 weeks old, and will not be registered, since I could not get the male's papers, (and like Dexter's Mom said, that doesn't necessarily make him a bad breed). The puppies are gorgeous and healthy, and have already been purchased...without papers.
So, Dexter's Mom: I know how you felt, and don't worry, it's your dog, and it's your choice. The girl's mother is the one that has to deal with the bills, and the selling and the cleaning, etc. And forget about these insensitive people. They just didn't get that you weren't asking for a scolding or even advice; you just needed someone that understood how you felt.
PS - Bassets are rare in Puerto Rico also. And when you do find one, they go for $1,000 and only at Pet Stores...(who buys from puppy mills...) And if any of you can find in Puerto Rico where the Basset Rescue is, please let me know. And another thing: here in Puerto Rico, people rather buy a dog from a backyard breeder than from a recognizable breeder. More often than not, they are sick or neglected, while a BYB is usually a caring owner that treats their dogs with lots of TLC... just something to think about.
I am new to this forum, and I've been watching how you guys have been treating Dexter's Mom. I think she only wanted to receive a little comfort and sympathy from other Basset owners. Instead, all she got was a scolding from all of you. That is really messed up!
I've been a Basset owner for 6 years now, and I understand how she feels since in January I took my girl to a couple's home where they have a male Basset. I was soooo sad, that 2 days later I was picking her up. I just couldn't deal with the separation. I missed her so much that I was even ready to forget the whole breeding thing.
Since my ex-boyfriend has a Basset also, (I had rescued him from an abusive household 2 years ago), I decided to mate him with my girl. My puppies are almost 4 weeks old, and will not be registered, since I could not get the male's papers, (and like Dexter's Mom said, that doesn't necessarily make him a bad breed). The puppies are gorgeous and healthy, and have already been purchased...without papers.
So, Dexter's Mom: I know how you felt, and don't worry, it's your dog, and it's your choice. The girl's mother is the one that has to deal with the bills, and the selling and the cleaning, etc. And forget about these insensitive people. They just didn't get that you weren't asking for a scolding or even advice; you just needed someone that understood how you felt.
PS - Bassets are rare in Puerto Rico also. And when you do find one, they go for $1,000 and only at Pet Stores...(who buys from puppy mills...) And if any of you can find in Puerto Rico where the Basset Rescue is, please let me know. And another thing: here in Puerto Rico, people rather buy a dog from a backyard breeder than from a recognizable breeder. More often than not, they are sick or neglected, while a BYB is usually a caring owner that treats their dogs with lots of TLC... just something to think about.
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