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I have a 10 month old Basset Hound named Oscar.
I love him but he is completely out of control, super needy and clingy and completely dependent on others for his happiness.
I refer to my son here a lot. He is a toddler, about 20 months old.

I have tried ignoring bad behavior and rewarding good behavior. This does not work. It really doesn't.

This is my day with Oscar:

3am:
Oscar is playing with chew toys / blankets / destroying pillow or other, loudly, outside our bedroom window.

5am/sunrise:
Oscar is whimpering, crying and barking outside our bedroom window. He is also jumping up on to the burglar guards and windows. He obviously wants to be let in. I have ignored this behavior for 6 months and it still continues. He is not cold. He has a warm sheltered kennel. He has food. He has toys. His crying continues and we try to sleep through it until my son wakes up.

7am
There is now activity in the house. My son is awake. Oscar is now at the living room doors, barking, whimpering and jumping up on the glass doors to be let in. This makes a huge noise and I am sure that our neighbors absolutely hate us. The people that live upstairs have also been awake since 5am.
I let Oscar in to come say good morning to the family. He runs and jumps up on all of us, including my son, and often knocks him over and hurts him. This is not on purpose or to inflict harm. He is just over excited.
Oscar then spends the next half hour running around the house sniffing out every corner looking for food it seems. We don't give him food now. His food is in his bowl outside. While I am trying to get ready / make breakfast / pack lunch, Oscar is constantly at your feet or jumping up on you. We are always falling over him.

8am - 6pm
Oscar has a large garden at home to play in. He has chew toys (cow hooves that he loves), tennis balls and whatever else of his or my son's that he is destroying. He has chewed up several of my son's toys, so we have to jump up and pack away whatever my son drops as it lands, otherwise it will be eaten.
The nanny is at home all day with my son. They are in the garden a lot of the day. Oscar is not alone in that sense. There is activity at the home the whole day, and the house looks out to the garden.

6pm
My husband and I get home. As soon as we walk through the front door, Oscar starts barking and whimpering and crying and jumping up on the burglar guards. This is very loud. I have tried ignoring this but it does not stop. I have to run and let Oscar in before even greeting my son, just to get the noise to stop.
My husband takes Oscar for a walk about 3 nights out of 5, depending on how late he works and how much light there is.
We have to put his leash on outside, as he wets himself from excitement.

7pm
Oscar is back from his walk. He is calmer after his walk, but still at our feet the whole time while making dinner etc. I try to get him out of the kitchen but he does not respond to "outside" "sit" or other.
Oscar cannot lie lazily on the carpet etc. He is up and about the whole time looking for food and attention. I know that he is young and energetic, but the constant jumping and licking and barking and whimpering for attention is exhausting.

8pm
I take Oscar outside while we are having dinner, otherwise he jumps up on the table and cries for food etc. He is not hungry. There is food outside for him.
All the time we are eating, Oscar is outside barking and whimpering and howling and jumping up on the doors. Not exactly relaxing. We eat fast and hurry to make the noise stop. Ignoring does not help.

8:30pm
Oscar is let back in the house to spend time with us while we watch television or do some work. He tries to jump up on the furniture or steal my son's toys to chew or goes to my bedroom to lay on the bed. He won't lay on the carpet and relax and be quiet. You can't pet him either. As soon as you want to stroke him then he gets over excited and jumps up on you and licks you, knocking you over. I so badly want him to lie quietly on the carpet and pet and stroke him but he is too desperate.
When we go to bed, we put Oscar outside and he doesn't scream or try get back inside. He waits until 5am.

His behavior causes constant stress and anxiety in our home.
We are constantly reprimanding him as he grabs food out of my son's hand or knocks people over or wets himself in the house or jumps up on our guests. None of our friends or family want to hang out with him, because he gets so over excited and won't leave you alone, ever. He is absolutely incapable of being by himself or entertaining himself or self-soothing himself. He is 100% dependent on us for his happiness.

I suspect that he sleeps all day and has this overload of energy for us when we get home and in the middle of the night when he plays and at sunrise.
I think he was taken away from his mother too young. We got him at 6 weeks.
I don't know if he is lonely. I am terrified to get another basset and have double this behavior. I know that they're hard to train (we have tried, promise), but Oscar seems well, it seems like he is very needy and not very smart or capable of taking instruction or "getting the hint" ie being ignored for 6 months but still doing the same thing every morning.

Like, in my house, I can't have guests over. We can't go sit outside on the patio furniture in the sun. Oscar will be jumping and barking and whimpering and licking and will not leave you alone. I can't perhaps lock him in our bedroom so we can have people over, cause that's also not right.

He owns our house. He owns us. He have tried training and understanding and take him to this awesome doggy park every weekend so that he can run and play with other animals. He has chew toys and tennis balls and food and a warm place to sleep.

I just want:
1. To sleep until 7am and for Oscar to be quiet until I come through to the door to let him in to say hi.
2. For him to be calm
3. For him to listen when I tell him to go outside or to sit
4. For him to not wet himself and "show pink" at the sign of any attention
5. For him to not chew every pillow/blanket that I buy for his kennel, that I dutifully replace.
6. For him to not jump up on everyone all the time and be so over eager and desperate
7. For him to not snatch food out of my son's hand. My son can't even walk around with like, an ice cream. Oscar takes it, and his toys, whatever he can.

I am tired of my own voice. I am tired of hearing myself shout at the dog.
I am tired of the anxiety and stress and irritation that all of us endure for him.
I am 7 months pregnant, and I won't be able to deal with a newborn, a toddler and this dog.
I know that the baby will wake us up 3 times a night, then Oscar too, then Oscar again at 5am, and then my son at 7am. I don't see how anyone in the family will get any sleep.

Please help me, and help Oscar. I feel the only option is to give him to another family that can handle him, but I can't give up on him. Am I doing something horribly wrong?
I've had dogs before and never had anything like this.

Natasha & Oscar



 

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reply to "I can't anymore please help"

Wow guys, thank you SO much for the replies.
I love Oscar, we all do. When he is chilled down about 7 knots then he is an absolute pleasure. We take him to this big doggy park every weekend and he gets to play and run with other dogs and adores it. Then he is super chilled the rest of the day.
But then 5am the next day it starts again. We can't take him running 3 hours a day. I've had other breeds of dogs and never had these problems.

We don't shout at him all day. There is lots of love for him.
He just doesn't listen. I don't think it's appropriate for dogs to sit begging at the table while we're having dinner, so I do want him to go outside then. There are times when he needs to be outside, like night and meal times and sometimes for guests. He is part of our family or "pack" but I can't control him. I will be coming home with a newborn and Oscar might jump up and hurt the baby, or jump on the bed while i'm changing the baby or potentially cause harm, even though it is without intent. I can't say "off the bed" or "gentle" or use a tone of voice to try teach him right or wrong. He doesn't know.

He is a very sweet dog. I just want to be able to control him and for him to "sit", "stay", "go outside" which will help.

I did do loads of research on Bassets. They are the best breed for kids.
Somewhere it said that it was hard to housetrain them, which I was prepared for and it took 4 months but we did it.
But it didn't say that they were incapable of being outdoors on their own or that they were this difficult to train.

I am trying to solve this. Hence this post. Any assistance to make us a happy family would be much appreciated x
 

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I thought of maybe finding a student in our area, and offering him/her some pocket money to do some dog walking? Maybe take Oscar for some walks every second day or so?
I am a huge animal lover, I absolutely love dogs. And he is in the house every time that we are except meal times and bed times. Are you suggesting I let him sleep in the house at night and sit at the table while we eat?
Do you think that is the solution?
I cannot see how I can spend more time with him than we already do?
 

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I think I didn't explain things properly.
Oscar is with us all the time, except when we have dinner. I don't want him begging at the table, so I take him outside for half an hour at night.
Other than that, if we are home, then he is home.

You say: "I know it's hard to devote that much time and energy when you have a child that needs your attention; but it sounds like Oscar needs more time with the family. Not kept outside by himself all day or night."

But we are at work at day and asleep at night. He has an hour with us in the morning, same as our son. Then he is with us as soon as we get home at night until we go to bed, same as our son.
On weekends he is with us all the time, as we spend almost all our time in the garden. And my husband takes him to this great doggy park to play.
Then on Sunday afternoons the whole family goes for a walk again. He really is with us all the time.

Are you suggesting that he also sleep in our bed and sit at the table while we eat? And that we quit our jobs and stay at home with him all day instead? Because that is the only time not allocated to him.

Of course we love him and give him lots of play and love and affection. We love animals and we love him. That is why I am trying to find a solution and find out what he wants so that we can all be happy.
I don't know what more he wants from us.
And it's not all dogs, I have had dozens in my life and have had fantastic relationships with them, under the same circumstances with my parents.

I've heard that they are hard to train because of their noses, and that they do calm a bit with age.
I thought of finding a student in the area and giving him/her some pocket money to do some dog walking for us.
What about a training school?

I'm going to give up on him, you don't just give something away because they're hard to handle or inconvenient. I am trying every possible solution first.
If I am doing something wrong, then please tell me so I can change it.
That's what I'm asking.
 

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Budbad, you say "You have a 10 month old puppy who is not getting any attention except bad attention and he is willing to settle for that. A dog that is not incorperated into a family is doomed for failure."

Why do you think he only gets bad attention? I ignore him when he does wrong things (howling outside our bedroom at 5am) and reprimand him if he knocks my child over or hurts people. Other than that, he gets loads of love especially from my son and husband. We don't abuse him and aren't cruel to him.
I just want advice to train him so that we can be a happy family. I don't know what "crating" means. I did get him from a breeder. I did do research. I've had plenty of dogs, but we always had like 3 or 4 at a time. This is the first time that we only have one. I think he's lonely, but I need to establish the cause of the behavior to fix it.
 

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He has a beautiful igloo kennel outside that he sleeps in most of the night. Is that what you mean by crate?
I tried training him. I spent hours and boxes of treats. Every time he jumped up on me, i turned my back on him, and when he didn't, i gave him a treat. I did this for ages. How long do you need to keep doing this for?
I think I'll take him to doggy training and get a student to walk him and see if that helps.
He will only sit if I have food in my hand, not if guests come or if I ask any other time.
I don't think I'm very good at training : ) I bought a bunch of manuals and books and left them on the table. When I came back the books were torn in to pieces on the floor and I couldn't help but laugh at the irony. He is adorable, but man he drives me crazy sometimes.

Thanks again
 

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Hi Sophie,
I think I need to figure this Basset out before getting another one.
I always had staffordshire bull terriers (staffies) who are so completely different. But I will tame this Basset eventually..
 

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You're right. Funny enough, I did try the squirt bottle. Every time I squirted him he barked and charged me because he thought it was a game and I couldn't help but laugh.
Ignoring bad behavior is NOT working. But the websites say "ignore bad behavior and reward good". Clearly not working with Ozzy... I'll do more research, thanks so much
 

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Hi BeerBasset, I'm not going to give up on him. Everything you guys are saying is helping and encouraging. I know it's not his fault that's why I asked "What am I doing wrong"? I think I just expect him to know not to do certain things like my other dogs did. I forgot all their training so many years ago and got used to them as they were, fully trained, and assumed they were like that all by themselves. Silly of me really.
I could never send him away, I was just particularly frustrated this morning and exhausted and resenting Oscar for the 5am wake-up again and feeling so guilty for the neighbors. My son was perfect, slept through from the beginning, never cries, is very chilled and calm, no hassles at all. Everyone always said "watch out, the next baby is going to be a nightmare." Then I got Oscar instead :) My baby sleeps through the night but my basset wakes up about 3 times. How bizarre!
 

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Sophie, my dog needs to sleep outside at night. Of course he has a warm kennel (igloo) and all of that.
We used to have him sleeping in our bed as a pup and it really didn't work for us.
We're a young married couple and need our privacy in the bedroom, if you know what I mean :) Not even my children sleep in my bedroom, and that's just personal preference. He is a dog, at the end of the day. A beautiful one that we love very much, but dogs and other animals belong outdoors in nature. Not on my couch or in my bed.
Resenting Ozzy was for the anxiety he was causing by his constant howling and barking.

But in good news, last night and this morning went much better. I woke up to the howling at 5am, then waited until about 6am once he had stopped. Then I went through and let him in to the house. He tried to get in to bed with us a couple of times, but then settled for the pillows on the floor.
He loves following my son around and they cause SO much mischief together.
Eventually I found them both in the bathroom, destroying a loo roll together. My son with the bulk of it and Oscar with a string of the stuff hanging from his mouth. They both froze when I walked in and tried to look as innocent as possible, the whole bathroom scattered with bits of paper : )

I've asked the nanny to let Oscar in for play about an hour before we get home. That way I figure, he won't be as over excited when we walk through the door.
My husband took him for his walk last night.
Also, there's a lovely couple in our neighborhood that have two gorgeous Beagles. They're always telling us to bring Oscar over for some play.
So we're going to do those playdates starting this weekend, more frequent walks and letting him in in the morning.

I tried having him indoors as we had dinner last night, but my son throws food down off his high chair for Oscar. He loves feeding people and things, then doesn't end up eating himself, and it teaches Oscar bad habits and expectations, so it's outside at dinner time I'm afraid.
 

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Danish I really loved your comments and advice! Thank you so much.
Oscar also goes crazy for milk, which is a nightmare as I have a toddler walking around with a milk bottle half the time. But he seems over it now. He kinda lost interest by himself, thank goodness.
LOL I know what you mean by "psycho puppy". Sometimes Oscar does this thing where he frantically runs around the living room and jumps from couch to couch then outside and repeats this about 17 times. The whole houses just freezes in our tracks and we look at each other and say "nobody move. it's gone insane."

It's frustrating that it takes so long to see results. I try and teach him to "outside" while I'm in the kitchen cooking, because I'm so pregnant and always have my son in my arms... if I trip over Oscar I could really hurt all of us.
That's the next step. To get him to sit/lay in the corner while i'm bustling around. This will come in handy when I have the newborn too.
It just feels like the house is chaotic. There is no order, and there needs to be some sort of structure in a home. If my son does something wrong, he gets reprimanded and shown the right way. Oscar is the same. A family needs structure and routine, and I'm trying to enforce this.
My son is also naughty and likes to draw on furniture with permanent markers, bless his heart. Should I give him to another family too? My husband leaves his socks on the floor. Better get rid of him too.
 

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Animals belong with nature, and trees and grass and sand and yes, even the scary wind that you seem to think they are so terrified of. So do humans, but we build shelters. Dogs have shelters called kennels, but they need to relieve themselves on soil and grass and not plastic litter boxes.
They are animals. It doesn't matter how much we try to domesticate them, they will still sniff bums and hump pillows and lick their balls and walk on all fours. They are different to us. They are companions and protectors and hunters and friends. Not children. They are not lower or less significant than us, but they are different, no matter how hard you try to make them your children.
Do Americans have more confined living arrangements without big yards and open spaces? Because here we have so much nature and fresh air and our animals run free and explore and investigate and aren't confined to houses. I can domesticate a horse or a pig in the same way but it will still sleep in a barn or in stables and not in my bedroom, sorry.
It's more cruel to take animals out of nature and lock them up in stuffy apartments all day and night, and allow them ten minutes outside a day for a walk. I prefer it the other way around, with more interaction with us and more training so there is more control.
Please don't make out like I abuse animals because my dog sleeps outside at night. That's really ridiculous.
 

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He isn't shut away. He is only alone at night when we are asleep.
Perhaps you should read the posts properly before passing poorly informed comments and judgment on other people and suggesting they give their animals away.
 

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I am not "shutting him away" by letting him sleep outside. Silly lady. That's your personal preference.

I can just see you on the phone now: "Hello yes officer, there's this crazy lady out there that makes her dog sleep outside in a kennel instead of in her bed. Please remove that abused animal off the premises straight away".
Really now.
 

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Jaleely, that is the best and most helpful response I have ever received regarding Oscar.
Thank you so much. I understand him better now, which will help me in tending to his needs and making us all happy.
Oscar also follows me everywhere. First I thought he just wanted food or was bored and I could not understand what he wanted. Because I'd sit and play with him for an hour, and he's just had a walk and eaten and I would get up and go to the bathroom and he would be following me, sniffing around. So I thought he wanted food, or maybe separation anxiety but now I am understanding that he just wants company 24/7.
I don't want to get another dog right now, but there is a pair of Beagles that live about 3 houses away and their owners are always begging me to bring Ozzie to play there. So I think more walks, more training, more understanding and patience and more playgroups and socializing with other doggies.

The nanny and my son are at home with him all day as companions, so he is not alone in the day at all, never has been.

Thanks again for helping me understand and thanks to those with the constructive comments xx
 

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My son and nanny spend almost the whole day in the garden. My child isn't locked up indoors the whole day. They play outside and water the garden and my son has a slide and splash pool and sandpit. Like children like to do. Do you not have children?
They go inside in the late afternoons and have dinner and a bath and story (do you really need me to explain this to you?) and tidy up. During this time, Oscar is outside doing his own thing -napping, chasing birds -whatever. I thought maybe if the nanny let him inside a this time too, then it would be better.
If you read my posts properly, you would have seen all this.

And no, I'm about to have another newborn. I can not think of a worse time to get another puppy.
My dog is not alone all the time, the only time he is alone is at night when the family is asleep.

Why would Oscar try to escape? We don't hold him prisoner. What makes you think he is unhappy? You don't even know him. He is so happy and eager it's like he is going to wag his own tail off. He's just untrained, young, energetic and eager.

You really are not making sense, please don't feel the need to respond, I have all the information that I needed, thanks to a handful of very helpful and understanding people.
 

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Sophie you really are being dramatic. Please calm down. I think you're upsetting yourself over something that you're completely over-reacting about, and over a situation that you don't even understand.
My animal is not neglected or shut out, she just sleeps outside in a kennel at night, and is put outdoors while we have dinner. Please calm down, and read the posts properly before over-reacting.

I won't be commenting on this further, as you're not making sense, and I have all the info I need.
 

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Oh dear Kriska, can't any of you read?
Ok I tell you what. I'll put Oscar INSIDE, in the house during the day while my son and nanny are playing OUTSIDE the whole day.
Yes that makes loads of sense. Thanks for the excellent advice.
 

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your solution

Your solution is for me to give my dog away because he sleeps outside at night. You say this will solve his behavioral problems. You say this will teach him to "sit, stay," etc.
So you think if Oscar lived in a house that he was allowed to sleep indoors, then all his problems will go away.
You make out like I am abusing him because he has a kennel and is requested to be outdoors at meal times. This does not make sense to me and is not good advice. You say I "shut him out" and he isn't part of our family because he sleeps outside at night. That is personal. Telling me to give a member of my family away is personal.

It is the same as co-sleeping and breastfeeding and natural birth and all those options. Your criticism is not constructive.
It is emotional and personal for a complete stranger to tell me to give my dog away because I don't seem to love it.
It's an awful thing to say to someone and not your place.

Please just leave us alone and stop your comments. You're being really mean and it's not necessary.
 
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