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The whole notion of fair is a human construct that does not play out in doogie social settings. Dogs don't care about equality or fairness they is ample evidence that dogs look out for number 1 that is their motivation in life. Often times what we humans view as a dog showing empathy or defering to another is simply but a concisious decision on the part of the dog that conflict reduction is more it itself interest than the reward of not doing so. This idea becomes important later on,I try to show her he is equal. Cookies, etc are giving all at the same time. If I pet her, I pet him
even if the ppor behavior is not the result of a lack of exercise increaseing exercise general minimizes it because a tired dog is less like to expend more energy try to defend an object or teritory.Dog owners have been admonished for decades to never play tug of war with their dogs because of the risk of it increasing aggression and/or dominance in the dog. Even many dog resource people such as breeders, trainers and veterinarians caution against this game. This is partly a failure to discriminate between agonistic behavior (conflict resolution & defensive aggression) and predatory behavior. Also, many people have issues about witnessing intensity. Intensity is not aggression, however. Played with rules, tug-of-war is a tremendous predatory energy burner and good exercise for both dog and owner. It serves as a barometer of the kind of control you have over the dog, most importantly over his jaws. The game doesn't make the dog a predator: he already is one. The game is an outlet. It’s intense, increases dog focus and confidence and plugs into something very deep inside them. The big payoff is in lowered incidence of behavior problems due to understimulation and a potent motivator for snappy obedience. There is a maxim in training: control the games, control the dog. It's also extremely efficient in terms of space and time requirements.
The guiding premise of the booklet is the value of teaching "polite, patient, and respectful" behaviors and making a conscious effort to reinforce these in situations where dogs might otherwise be pushy and demanding. The authors point out that, left unguided, many dogs will get pushier as they grasp for their own rewards, resulting in a mob of rude, potentially contentious dogs.
For those that learn better by observing a DVD is also available but not having seen it I can't comment nor reccomend....
To their credit, London & McConnell don't focus on identifying and favoring the most dominant dog, nor on allowing dogs to work out their own conflicts. Rather, they stress that, "The best way to prevent status-related aggression... is to be a calm and confident leader, projecting a sense of benevolent power."
How is she with toy etc. There may be another aspect to the situation, specifical Resourse Guarding. Keep in mind not all resources are physical things like food, but attention, space etc can be resourses that a dog deems valuable enough to need guarding. Also keep in mind Resource guarding is a natural behavior in dogs. That does not mean it is appropriate.maybe because he got to close to her food bowl ...she won't even let him come into the living room
I do not like to use any force, because really that does no good, and just makes me feel quilty.
Bold added by me for emphysisPunishment is frequently a first-line or an early-use tool by both the general public and traditional dog trainers. While punishment can be very effective in some specific contexts depending on the individual animal, it can be associated with many serious adverse effects
...The adverse effects of punishment and the difficulties in administering punishment effectively have been well documented,1 especially in the early 1960s when such experiments were still allowed. For instance, if the punishment is not strong enough, the animal may habituate or get used to it, so that the owner needs to escalate the intensity.2,3 On the other hand, when the punishment is more intense, it can cause physical injury.
Even when punishment seems mild, in order to be effective it often must elicit a strong fear response, and this fear response can generalize to things that sound or look similar to the punishment. Punishment has also been shown to elicit aggressive behavior in many species of animals.6 Thus, using punishment can put the person administering it or any person near the animal at risk of being bitten or attacked.
Also onthing that i should of posted in before. The abscentsof a reward for a behavior over time leads to the extinct of that behavior. Hence alot of the steps in the behavior mod process I outlined lead to extinction of the behavior. However it is not that simple. Most of the time behaviors do not simply go away quitely into the night. Quite the oposite they are only exstinqauished by kicking and screeming becoming exponetially worse before they stop. The reason for this is a phenonenom known as a Extinction Burst?Try the "you won a prize" method. It's basically a time-out, but given so cheerfully that the dog doesn't seem to realize it's in trouble. I used this quite successfully with my greyhound girl Allegra, who was seriously trying to break through an 8-foot-wide picture window several times a day to get to passing squirrels, dogs, kids on skates, cats, crows, mailmen, trash collectors, etc. I got this idea from someone whose dog would not stay off the kitchen table. It requires that you become a world-class actor--the whole point is to never show that you are angry, just give the dog a very short time out **every** time the forbidden transgression occurs.
If someone's gained some reward every time for a particular behavior, the
behavior will persist. If suddnely the reward stops coming, it's likely
that the person or animal will not immediately give up the behavior.
Instead, they'll try it again and again, harder, faster, more emphatically.
It's a burst of activity. If the reward still doesn't come, eventually
the behavior will extinguish, or become extinct. So, the burst of behavior
before extinction of the behavior is called an "extinction burst".
My favorite example is the elevator button. Let's say you ride the same
elevator every day. You get in, you push the button for your floor, and
you're rewarded by the doors closing and the elevator taking you to your
destination. One day you get in and push the button, and nothing happens.
Do you immediately say, "Oh, this must not work anymore, I'll just take the
stairs to the 11th floor"? Or do you push the button again? And again?
And harder? And faster? And in special sequences? That's the extinction
I did not say you were rewarding the behavior only that the behavior is being rewarded. Every time she growls at runs at, latches on to the sheltie and he backs off she is rewarded.I am not sure how I am rewarding this behavior??
In order for punishment to work the dog must associate the punishment with it behavior. So inorder for spanking to be effect the dog must associate it behavior as percipitating the spanking. How do you do this? I can safely say I have never see a dog that was spank, swatted with a newspaper etc associate the "beating" with its pehavior, but rather it associates the "beating" with an irrational owner which only incease it fear of the owner which in turn makes more likely it feel the need to use force to defend itself.I have no problem spanking gracie if I need to
One must recongnize the limit of a single prong approach, Even if successfull at eliminating this single bad behavior of charging and latching on to the leg of the sheltie What is to stop her for adopting a different more aggressive behavior? Given that she knows aggression work when it stops working what is more likely She stops being aggressive altogether or she try being even more aggressive?think I will try the "Alegra" time out acting method, maybe Gracie will respond to this.
If the intent of Gracie was to cause injury to Jake then that is exactly what would be happening. It is niave to believe your intervention is preventing injury. The second part of this can be more sinsister. In any dog v dog conflict it takes two to tango. As much as you want to believe that Jake is an inocent bystander that is not the case. He has the abbility to avoid the conflict as well. At the first threat level by gracie he could back away but does not. The problem is when you try and interpret who is the cause of a conflict it is first likely wrong and second likely to make matters worse. Trying to only presecute the "instigator" lead to unintended consequences that increases the conflict not reduce it What happen is the other dogs learns how to goat the other in to actions that it get punished for while it gets to enjoy extra attention. In any dog v dog conflict both dogs need to be treated as equal conspiritors. Also keep in mind seperating the dog is most often a reward as that is what the conflict was about in the first place increase distance between them. So it is far better for a punishment like both dogs in a down in close proximity to each other than seperating each for individual time outs.I just grab Gracie to stop her from biting Jake. Then, I check Jake to see if he is okay, and tell Gracie to go lay down. I completely ignore her for some time.
In fact it is not very likely she was abused in the traditional sense. Most behavioral issue are traced to two cause 1 is genetic which you can do very little about and the other early socialization and hibituation. which again at this late date you have little control. You can work with her to over come these problems but it is likely some remnant remains not matter how thorough a behavior mod program you employ will still linger and require constent and consitent monitoring and interventionBut I feel that will her past she may have been abused
The Agbeh group an educational forum offering discussions of how to modify the behavior of dogs that exhibit aggressive behaviors toward dogs and/or toward people. Aggressive behaviors oftentimes arise from dogs' fears or anxieties. Harsh training and physical punishments are not advised for they may make the problems worse.
The good news for all is that dogs' behaviors may be modified. We teach people how to reduce tensions so as not to exacerbate the problems. Trainers and dog-behavior consultants give suggestions for safe home management and for using positive-reinforcement clicker teaching methods, including targeting, for teaching new skills. Detailed information is also provided about desensitizing and counter conditioning (D/CC) a dog to various stimuli to change the dog's emotional responses. Only "dog-friendly" recommendations are permitted. No physical punishment-based methods are advocated. No choke chain corrections, no prong collars, no electronic shock collars!