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Unread 09-08-2019, 08:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi, All;
I recently adopted a Basset from a local litter and brought her home at 8 weeks. She is going to be a handful! Great nose developing at 12 weeks and I've started to do some scent training to see how she responds. While she is from a purebred litter, she is going to be quite tall . . . probably 22" at the withers. She's my first Basset and her expressed genetic make-up may harken back to Bloodhound genes.
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[quote=SueRiegelWilliams;432707]Hi, All;
I recently adopted a Basset from a local litter and brought her home at 8 weeks. She is going to be a handful! Great nose developing at 12 weeks and I've started to do some scent training to see how she responds. While she is from a purebred litter, she is going to be quite tall . . . probably 22" at the withers. She's my first Basset and her expressed genetic make-up may harken back to Bloodhound genes.[/quote]

Mmm, interesting. The breed can come in all (perhaps too many?) shapes and sizes, despite our best efforts! I have to confess to seeing, later on when they visited us, one I'd bred in Canada from two English-imports and she was very leggy. To the point the woman started to try to accuse me of her not being 'purebred'. I'd kept her sister and she was fine! I suppose it's quite possible for there to be a throwback to what makes up today's Basset! For other reasons, we never bred from that sister but all the rest of our line went back to the two who produced this tall one, the bitch was our foundation bitch, and the male could have been said to be that too as he was mated to a daughter (from another earlier litter) of our foundation bitch that mating was behind everything else we bred going forward. We never saw this tall thing again.

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I would question the veracity of any 22" basset bloodedness with out a DNA test proving otherwise. The basset hound dwarfism genes appear to be dominant, That is even when cross bred with a non-dwarf breed you end up with all dwarf. If this is from a basset hunting pack in england it could be any manner of dog as cross breeding is rampant.

to Speak to variety that is possible in the breed keep in mind both dogs are from tghe same litter

Dexter and no not photoshoped 17" high at wither ~105 lbs [img]https://scontent.fbos1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50542978_10213969646899698_1647444039068286976_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_eui2=AeGsS4Py8N-MS-_ne1NRmYWSJgHD_XQbAJf1e7MtYvkmu0I5IrdQjeDW9E8bIaVwxDMhimDIyGBqEqgCPw2jVa2yAH0pYdB6RrWZTXJgMgtuCw&_nc_oc=AQnh3YVnaAiq__DHTsSIzMgAnVZoyt4uMapxDOjcL53uc7qPTyVHzbJZUqD5xFaPunA&_nc_ht=scontent.fbos1-2.fna&oh=8a2564fb50f25271bcad84d2cb600fe0&oe=5E071823[/img]

the rest of the litter
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Front left Xena under 40lbs Center front dam of liter Leila low to mid 50's
back left to right Apollo 70ish, Artemis ~60, Hermione & Eowyn mid to up 50's Sheldon mid 60's

Dexter as <1 year old puppy next to deela is Mom's bigger sister
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My pup is from the 3rd litter of the same sire and dam. Each of the 3 litters had a tall pup, and the remainder of the pups were the 'standard' size Puzzle was part of a 12 pup litter, with 10 surviving pups. At this time, at 12 weeks, she is 17.5 inches at the withers and seems to be putting on a lot of leg.
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[quote=SueRiegelWilliams;432717]My pup is from the 3rd litter of the same sire and dam. Each of the 3 litters had a tall pup, and the remainder of the pups were the 'standard' size Puzzle was part of a 12 pup litter, with 10 surviving pups. At this time, at 12 weeks, she is 17.5 inches at the withers and seems to be putting on a lot of leg.[/quote]

You may be happy with your puppy BUT as a long-time breeder of Bassets, hoping to breed as close to the relevant Breed Standard as possible, there's no way I'd carry on taking litters from the same parents if something like this keeps cropping up.

The American Standard states ..
"Disqualifications: Height of more than 15 inches at the highest point of the shoulder blade.Knuckled over front legs. Distinctly long coat. "

The UK Basset Standard states "Size Height: 33-38 cms (13-15 ins) at withers." Last amended 2009.

So the size of your girl would be a fault and something responsible breeders wouldn't repeat (the same parents). I shouldn't of course, affect a tall puppy from being a loving pet. They all have faults to some extent even if being that all, would be untypical.
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also having few tall dog produced would be indicative of both parents actual being mixed breed rather than pure bred basset in that case 25% tall would be the genetic norm, if both parent were only carries of dwarfism gene not homogeneous
for it as purebred basset would be. The possibility of it being a throwback is extremely remote.
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This "little" pup is definitely a pet, and won't be involved in breeding. I have great respect for the AKC breed standards and the parent clubs that work so hard to maintain them. Years ago, I bred and showed Keeshonden, so I appreciate any concerns with non-standard purebreds. (On rare occasion, an orange, all white or an all black Kees pops up in a litter, so I am aware of the curious ways genes can combine.) My curiosity about the Basset and it's background included finding the Chien d'Artois, a product of selective breeding from the Bloodhound (like the Basset). Puzzle looks like she will resemble this throw-back.
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http://petdogspicture.blogspot.com/2013/01/basset-artesien-normand-dog-breed.html

Hoping that this link will load - this is how some Artesien Normands look - the one, (Grims) Ulema de Barly, imported into the UK to strengthen bloodlines at the time, wasn't leggy like this one is, but again - throwbacks!! I suspect Ulema de B was selected because he was more like the Grims Bassets, and not so much on the leg. My English lines went back to him, way back, as most modern Bassets do, which may explain how we got that bitch with the long legs!

From Randy Frederiksen's Facebook info.

https://www.facebook.com/Ambrican/photos/grims-ulema-de-barly-basset/572447199468520/

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