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Old 03-24-2018, 01:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My Noelani is so difficult to walk I've had trouble with her since she was 10 weeks old. I tried to train her in my yard cuz I didn't want to expose her to the outside world until she was completely immunized and because I wasn't sure that the people I got her from had immunized her correctly, we had to start over again. I had bought her a small-sized sporn harness at first, reading the forums on here is what was suggested I think that's what it's called. When I walk her she pulls so hard that I'm afraid I'm going to hurt her underarms or her legs or chest. Upgraded to the large I think it is better, but she pulls so hard when I take her for a walk when she sees a bird or anything that I actually have to run behind her so that she doesn't hurt herself. I don't like using a collar because I don't like them choking. She really needs to go for a walk too. She probably really needs some training but I want to know if anybody has any suggestions on how to walk her to keep her from dragging my butt down and from her hurting herself?she seems scared when I go to put her harness on her, she runs from me but yet she likes going for a walk so I'm guessing she knows it hurts. Dogs just don't seem to be smart enough to know to not do things that hurt them. And I know that she's a hound and she's going to want to chase after Critters. I'm in an area along the ocean where everybody lets there dogs off the leash but I'm scared to death to do that, I'm afraid she'll take off because when she takes off when she's on the leash I have to actually go get her or try to reel her in with the 50 Foot lead I have. I usually just have her on a regular leash but when I take her out and there's not a lot of people I will put her on 50-foot leave so she can run around and play a little bit but I can't get her to come back she pulls and pulls and pulls it looks painful. So any suggestions on what to use she needs a suit of armor LOL. Anything to keep her from hurting her Underside. People say to get harness that you lead with their nose. Please any suggestion, she's 9 months old now and I've got to get with it and get her to start walking. I know she will slow down when she's about 5 or 6 I hope. Now don't get me wrong when I'm walking on the trails she will walk along in front of me with her nose down smelling stuff. she doesn't walk perfect but she does pretty good until she see something. I swear she is a sighthound.
Right now I'm trying to train with a whistle. When we're in the yard and I want her to come in and she refuses, I blow the whistle really loud and she gets a treat when she comes in. that way I'm hoping to be able to use that when I take her out if I ever take her off the leash which I'm very leery of. Ok thank you
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Old 03-25-2018, 02:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You need a basic training class...soon. I would get a head collar, and lose the harness. It is easier to pull in a harness. I do believe in positive training, understand all collars/harnesses can be mis-used and mis-matched to the dog in question. Constant pulling does hurt....use a sharp short tug to correct pulling and give ample rewards when she walks nicely. What hurts more, pulling a Band-Aid of quickly or slowly?
You can also use a hot dog or bit of chicken breast in your hand with the leash to lure her into walking nicely...feed bits as you go along....lots at first fewer as she starts to go along nicely. Do this at home first with few distractions.

This is not a matter of the dog not being smart enough not to do what hurts....first off she has trained YOU to run with her, second, the bird or animal is more important than you are to her. You need to use better treats and practice making "come" fun. We do relay recalls. Work with her BEFORE you feed her with GOOD treats...MEAT or CHEESE.
She gets a bit, then hubby calls her from the far end of the house, then I call her. Lots of praise and good treats. Works. Also call her to have FUN, play with her, run with her. Make "Come" FUN. Make yourself FUN. Don't make "come" the end of fun. Please find a class and train her, she will only get stronger and more set in her ways...she will not outgrow lack of training.....good luck.
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"When I walk her she pulls so hard that I'm afraid I'm going to hurt her underarms or her legs or chest."
When using a tool the work via positive {something added} punishment {stimulus that reduces a behavior for occurring} and you are afraid to use it as it is designed because it causes pain then that tool is never going to work for you,

But the biggest problem you have is understanding distraction and training. To get the desired behavior you need to first train is a low distraction environment then slowly increase distraction level.

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People say to get harness that you lead with their nose.
Combining these two tools is a great way to break a dogs neck.. You should not be considering using a long lead until you have reasonable behavior on a short 4-6 ft lead. As for playing IMHO dogs play on leash short. long does not matter has a high risk of injury. If the dogs can not be trusted off leash then they are limited to confined space,


Learn to use distractions as reward ie Premark principal see; ClickerSolutions Training Treasures -- Desensitizing to Squirrels

Premack Principle: Treeing Squirrels! | Dog Trainer Games

https://eileenanddogs.com/2013/01/10...iple-problems/

But what it appears you need most of all is someone hands on helping to teach you how to train ie a class or one on one consultation,
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Agree with Mikey....DON'T use that long lead until she is working well on a short lead. A head collar and a short lead will help with her a great deal, work her in the house first, then in your yard....THEN you can work around more distractions. She may not like the head collar at first, but will settle into it in a couple of days. Lots of treats and praise will get you there.

I use a martingale collar which is like a cross between a standard web flat collar and a "choke" collar. It can draw up tighter, but is limited in it's "choke" ability. It can NOT choke a dog if fitted properly, but she can't slip out of it either. A quick tug gets her attention. Don't go crazy wild with a correction tug, just a quick little tug will do, make it enough to get her attention tho.
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Old 04-01-2018, 08:27 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thank you for your suggestions. Yes training I know i need. I don't use a collar, only a harness under her arms, chest area, I can't imagine it breaking her neck, but maybe something else. I will work more with her on the treat training and keep her on the 6 foot leash. I did let her run today with the 50 foot lead, Let her go, then i just grabbed the rope, but I don't like that either. She really liked running with my other dog. Plus there were no birds today. I definitely don't want to hurt her, so I'll just work with her in the yard with treats until we have it figured out. Once I get her to where she comes back to me, I can just let her run off leash. I've never owned a basset so got lots to learn. Quite a bit more to learn with her then any of my other pups.
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One more question. Since basset necks are so long, where should the neck be measured from? I'm looking into the collar you suggested. Should i get the one with a chain on it, or the regular one? Or both to try? It's so hard to fit her with a collar.
Should it fit at the lower biggest part of her neck? I'm guessing that makes more since with a choke collar!!
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