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Old 09-10-2017, 03:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I joined this as I am learning a whole lot by reading posts. I had a basset, heeler mix. She was shaped like a basset, not quite as long, short legs, big chest, big point ears, blue meryl. We lost her at 14 1/2 years old. She was the best dog ever. Lost her because of nerve loss in her spine. Said I would never get a long dog again. Yet here I am, I had no idea how much of a basset she was. She had the little aggressive growl from the heeler. Not mean, but all my pets were scared of her. She was now I see 90 % basset.
I've got a 12 week old female pure bred named Noelani.
We love her to death. I am her mommy for sure.
She potty trained right off the bat. When I leave she goes and lays in the bedroom with my other dog. I have not seen any destruction as of yet inside. Outside, I had to move all my plants that are in pots. Am going to be digging up all the rest that are toxic.
My biggest problem I have with her is her thinking my 7 year old heeler, aussie mix is a play toy . Savannah is her name, she has been very good with her, that's the problem too though, is she has her a nervous wreck. She runs and plays with her. I've been doing some research and learned to play with Noelani first to wear her out so she doesn't eat Savannah alive. I throw toy they both run to get it. Then Noelani, Nola is what we call her, starts hanging on her neck. I had to pry her loose earlier. She bites her legs, feet, mouth, ears, what ever she can. I have to be up and have a squeeky toy to get her attention away from Savannah, throw it. But Savannah has to run and get it too. Really the only way to play with them is to play with Nola alone. But I feel bad for Savannah, but yet, Savannah gets to go to the ocean beach daily since I'm living on it. She plays ball, and her teeth show it. She catches the ball almost each time. So I'm wondering what other people do with other pets. I see about other people, but what do you all do with other pets? Nola will play hard and run and get her stuffed toy, or water bottle, or ball, bring it back, I throw it about 20 times till she gets worn out. But sometimes once I put Savannah in, so she doesn't get bit, Nola doesn't want to play. I don't yell or punish her for it. I tell her no bites. Or easy bites. I guess I should use one or the other. Any suggestions?
Oh, and now she is starting to call me a lyer about potty training. She gets up at 5 to eat, I take her potty, gate her out of my room, so husband and Savannah can sleep. I lay on couch and she sleeps with me a little while, then she gets down. She was whining or scratching at door. Now we get up to poop and pee. So it's like I need to stay up with her. When I got her she was almost 9 weeks old. Had worms, Guardia and UTI. I was very upset. Trying to potty train her was tough, as she kept squatting. She seems so much better now. Also to me, she seems skinny. She weighed 9 1/2 lbs at 9 weeks. 12lbs at 11 weeks. Today at 12 weeks she is 13 lbs.
Her belly still seems sucked in, I can see her ribs, but not extreme. Vet seems to think she's fine, that it's because she started out with issues. Plus she is so active. Runs and runs and plays. Besides her regular schedule for eating and naps. She hasn't been for walks yet, I waiting for her next shot with bordetella. Any suggestions appreciated.
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Labrador Rescue Blog: The Puppy License and its loss

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The Puppy License and its loss
Puppies up to 4 to 5 months of age appear to have something called a ‘puppy license’ – something that allows them to be an absolute pest to older dogs without repercussion. You see puppies being down right rude in dog terms doing things like jumping on older dogs, stealing food and toys from adults, barking right in the face of an adult or worse still humping them – and the adults just seem to put up with it, and even expect it – at least well socialised dogs do (dogs with good dog communication and social skills).

However at about this age the license expires as the puppies hormone levels change and they develop psychologically. Adult dogs now start to insist on the puppy controlling their behaviour and being more respectful in their interactions – and this comes as a shock to many puppies who ignore the more subtle signs until an adult dog (maybe their best pal at home, a friend at the park or a total stranger) snaps back – figuratively and sometimes literally. The adult dogs might:

Bark (roar) at an adolescent displaying inappropriate behaviour.

Plant the adolescent’s face into the dirt with a well placed paw (something my boy was doing to other younger and over the top puppies at only 12 weeks of age – and which caused some distress until I figured out what was going on).

Knock the adolescent with their muzzle or mouth.

Snap at them.

The messages might be relatively peaceful and quick or they might appear and sound like a major scuffle if not full out fight – and the adolescent will generally be doing the majority of the screaming. But if there are no wounds then do not panic – now or the next time you see or meet this adult dog or any adult dog, or your adolescent will pick up this fear from you and act on it. This does not mean that you should put up with inappropriately socialised/skilled adult dogs or other adolescents bullying and picking on or terrifying your pup – so if you are concerned, if blood is drawn or punctures made then seek professional help.
Contrary to popular myth seeing ribs on a short coated dog is not inappropriate.

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A round belly on a large puppy is inappropriate
https://www.positiveresponse.net.au/...-breed-puppies

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Optimal feeding of large breed puppies
Jennifer Larsen DVM, MS
Resident, Small Animal Clinical Nutrition
Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital
School of Veterinary Medicine, University of California, Davis
diets cause problems. Over 30 years ago a significant amount of data was
published that established a connection between improper nutrition and a variety
of skeletal abnormalities in Great Danes, including hypertrophic osteodystrophy,
osteochondrosis dissecans and 'wobbler' syndrome. The experimental diets
varied in protein, energy density, and minerals, and it was unclear which factor or
combination thereof contributed to the developmental bone diseases observed in
the initial studies (Hedhammar, et. al. 1974). The same group went on to
investigate the individual dietary components and demonstrated that dietary
protein level had no effect on the development of osteochondrosis (Nap, et. al,
1991). For some reason, dietary protein level continues to be incriminated by
some owners, breeders, and veterinarians, despite the lack of supportive
evidence.
In contrast to protein, excessive calories and inappropriate amounts of
calcium have both been shown to negatively influence optimal skeletal
development in puppies. While overnutrition in adult dogs leads to obesity and
can lead to serious health problems such as cardiorespiratory disease, we
recognize other problems in puppies that result from the same practice of
overfeeding.ics; however, the time
to reach adult size can and should be controlled by proper nutri It is necessary to feed the puppy enough to allow for controlled
growth, but it is equally important to avoid overfeeding. Many people believe that
a round puppy is a happy healthy puppy. However, maximal growth is not
optimal growth. Adult size is principally influenced by genettion. Excess
calories can predispose large breed puppies to developmental bone disease,
including hypertrophic osteodystrophy (Dammrich, 1991).

While any food has the potential to cause problems with skeletal
development if overfed or supplemented, maximal growth in puppies is
commonly occurs with feeding a highly palatable, high energy density growth
diet. These types of diets are often overeaten if fed on a free choice basis, or
simply too much is fed on a meal basis. There is currently no perfect formula to
guarantee an optimal rate of growth for an individual puppy. It is especially
important to avoid overnutrition during periods of the most rapid growth, which
will vary with breed and between individuals. Breed and individual differences,
environmental factors such as climate, and activity level will all affect the amount
of food required. Obviously, palpable body fat is not specific enough to be a
guideline for optimal nutrition. Provide an amount of food that will maintain lean
body condition throughout growth. This will allow for a slow growth rate, but won’t
affect the final adult size. The goal is to keep growing puppies lean at about a
body condition score of around 4 on a scale of 1-9 (a score of 1 is emaciated and
9 is grossly obese). You should be able to easily feel the ribs.
Study drawings
and complete descriptions of the desired body condition. A common body
condition scoring system is provided at the following site:
http://www.purina.com/dogs/health/BodyCondition.aspx.
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Old 09-15-2017, 01:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Does this size look normal with her belly sucked in and her rib sticking out so much for basset? 13 weeks old. She is gaining weight quickly now. Two weeks ago she was almost 13 lb she is now 16 lbs. Should I slow down on feeding her? I do not want her to get fat, yet her ribs stick out so much. but that could just be the Basset and I'm not used to it. Giving 3/4 cup 3 times day. 1/2 cup before bed. She eats slow. Very very active. Pro plan focus puppy food.
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she is a bit thin but OK from the pictures. That said pictures can be deceiving and one could have a different if seen in person. I would be feeding slight more based on the picture. Fwiw I believe the ones below were low20's at that age/

With puppies this age you need to adjust feeding amount each week base on how they currently look and what they looked like the previous week.



faith @ 8 weeks

hope @ 8 week

faith @ 12 weeks

hope @ 12 weeks

faith almost 3 ~ 50lbs


Hope almost 3 46-47 lbd

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All puppies, regardless of breed, develop at their own, perhaps different, rates. I don't like an overdone puppy but at the same time, at that age would be giving her less if she leaves some after each feed, and more if she cleans the bowl fast and looks for more.

How much is never an easy question to answer and for sure, a puppy may start to look rib thin one week, as the frame grows, and porky another. Yes you could go by the guide on the bag, but if I fed mine the suggested amount for their size, weight, age, they'd explode!! But as said, you have to adjust the amount on a weekly basis at this growing stage.

I always feel the frame is there by around 7 months, but bodying up can take significantly longer even if the bitches tend to be as they should be sooner than many males. But individual bloodlines mean there may well be a difference.

Talk to your breeder!!
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Thank you for all the info on my puppy Nola. Your puppies look so much better than my Noelani. Very pretty too!
I unfortunately didn't get my pup from a reputable breeder. I made a mistake, as I didn't really know any better. My heart took over my brain! I'm not sorry I got her at all, I feel like I rescued her. The breeders know nothing about dogs or basset hound puppies. That's why my girl had so many issues when I brought her home. They were free feeding 12 puppies puppy chow. So I'm now giving her good food. Had to take her to vets as soon as I got home after a 5 hour drive.
I've been counting on this site to help me. It has helped so much. I'm just very disappointed in myself for not knowing more about back yard breeders.
I'm finding a lot of vets don't know a whole lot about taking care of these pups either. So I'm just doing the best I can. Wishing she wasn't so ribby. I'm up to 3 cups of food a day, spread out with small meals.. not thinking that's even enough. She was 9 lbs at 8 weeks. She is now 16 1/2 lbs at 13 weeks. So so active. Runs and plays all day from 5 a.m till 8 p.m. with naps in between. She sees the vets this Saturday so I will see what they think. I have a good friend that rescues border collie. Pups mostly. She seems to always have a litter of pups. Never keeps them. She told me I should feed her more, as much as she wants and to give her adult food. But I just don't think she knows anything about this breed. I keep reading about them needing the puppy food. I hope she puts on some meet on those ribs. I do notice she fills out, then a few days later she looks this skinny. So I up her food. Just some pics of her. I do what ever I need for her. I love my pets.
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"So I'm now giving her good food. "


NOTHING creates a bigger debate and fights than what to feed. Much of what passes as knowledge on nutrition for dogs is wives tales in inappropriate amorphization of human nutrition to dogs and even then much of the human nutrition knowledge is just plain wrong.

The best judge of quality of a dog food is how your dog does on it. I have used plenty of so called high quality dog food that was terrible for my dogs and so called cheap crap that worked well .


Feeding Basset puppies adult dog food as late as five to ten years ago was/is the best thing to do far better than feeding traditional puppy food. With the advent of large breed puppy foods with reduced calories and lower and tighter controlled calcium levels and calcium to phosphorous ratio they in general are a better choice for basset puppies during the high growth rate phase after than there is little evidence that it is a better choice.

Free feeding a basset pup or any large breed dog is generally not a good Idea,. Many will put the bowl down for a set period of time like ten minutes and let the pup have it fill but this is access limited by time not quantity but limited access none the less. IMHO free fed puppies are hared to house train because you never now when they eat so their schedule of when they need to go outside is not consistent,

Dog Foods - Or What In The World Should I Buy?
"My dogs tend to do better on what I consider medium grade foods. Not the best/priciest stuff (Innova, California Natural, Canidae) but not the really cheap stuff either (Hi-Pro, Dog Chow). Remember price has nothing to do with what might work for your dog. Just because a food is listed in a magazine as their 10 best, doesn't mean its better than another food that isn't listed. They do no testing of the food, they base their opinions on the ingredients. My dogs have not done well on any of those foods. Think for yourself and don't get brainwashed into thinking you are a horrible pet owner if you don't buy these foods for your dog.

This website has a very down to earth attitude on dog food. PetDiets.com Though the owner offers nutritional consultation, therefore making it a commercial site, they have a lot of good information on the site.

Remember, what works for my dogs or anyone else's dog might not work for yours. Buy the smallest bag you can find of what you want to start trying and if the dog doesn't eat it or you don't like the results, then you aren't out much and you can donate the rest to a shelter. I swear this last year I have to have donated more food that didn't work out with my dogs to shelters than anyone else in my county. (laughs)

I'm also not going to tell you what I feed my dogs. I haven gotten email from people mad at me for not saying what I feed my dogs, though this information is located elsewhere on my site. I don't want people buying a food just because I feed it. What you feed has to be your own choice. I'm just here to help you understand the choices so you can make a relatively informed decision."
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Not adult food yet - mine tended to 'go off' their puppy food by around 8 months which is when I'd switch to either a Junior version of the same brand, or if they didn't do one, to the adult version. Many subscribe to the notion that puppies can go onto adult food by 6 months, but that's too soon, for me. It does depend on how the individual puppy is doing however.

I don't subscribe to free-feeding, believing that although cats snack, dogs need to have their digestive system rest for period during the day.

Reading what you say about her looking okay after a feed, but not later on has taken me to whether she has been wormed? Good breeders worm their litters from 2 weeks, every 2 weeks to the time they go home, with the new owners being advised to reworm at around 3 months. A swollen belly after eating can be 'classic' for worms. Get a stool sample to your vet for a fecal - and ask him to check for Giardia too (which he may do in any case).

Finally, not all Bassets develop at the same rate and some will look more ribby at periods through their development, than others.
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Thank you for all information. She is now three and a half months old is 18 lb and looking much better. I am giving her blue dog food or puppy food I mean. And I don't know if my original post said but she did have roundworms very bad when I first got her. I did not realize I was getting her from a non licensed breeder when I got her but my heart was already and to it or I would have not bought her. They lived in 100 degree weather and as soon as I got her home she was vomiting pinkish stuff and started pooping out bloody diarrhea and worms I immediately took her to the vet, tested for parvo which was negative. Wormed her again. Then wormed her again in a couple of weeks and then after that gave her heart guard to take care of any more worms also. We also sent out stool to check for anything else and she had giardia so she was being treated for giardia plus she had a urinary tract infection so I had to treat her for that also. I contacted the fake breeders, the man was a jerk and said it was up to me if I wanted to take her to the vets and spend the money to have her wormed when I could just get it at Walmart like they do. He said they sent in all of their dogs stool and only two came back with worms and nobody had giardia. but I know they lied about that because they didn't spend any money at the Vets and you can't send in your own fecal, you need to have a vet do it. there was no record just her little notes that they gave the puppies two shots and two worming's. The worming's were not given until they were 5 weeks old and then 7. They were from Walmart which is probably okay but I think they had worms so bad by then they needed something better. the only reason why they wormed them was because somebody else that adopted or bought a puppy contacted them to let them know that their puppy had worms really bad. Another lady just adopted or bought a puppy this last weekend several weeks after I pick mine up, the next day she started vomiting and diarrhea bloody so she took her to the vets and she was positive for parvo. She almost didn't make it she's in the hospital now and was doing better yesterday but it's cost her $2,000 so far to save the baby. she tried to contact the people to tell them and they just were in denial. So I went on 530 pets on Facebook where I found the puppy at to let people know if they got puppies to have them check for worms giardia and parvo. the administration from the site block me from the site. It just makes me sick that they did that. that people need to know not to get one from them or that if they get sick that it came from there or just try to avoid them getting sick. myself and the other lady also called Animal Control for the area they just went out and told them to get a permit to breed. Even though we told them that they had Sick Puppies. Just makes me ill. I have definitely learned a lesson, I knew nothing about these backyard breeders. I would never ever do it again. I love my puppy to death and glad I have her, I feel like I actually rescued her. I think she just had such a rough start thats why she was just skinny I think she will be fine thank you so much
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