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Old 06-12-2012, 08:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been grappling with this for awhile now, but there's a truth I've come to accept that I want to share with all of you.

We got Olive from my little sister's soccer coach. He and his wife had two young Basset Hounds that hadn't been spayed or neutered and when the girl (who they'd gotten at around 1 1/2 years old) went into heat, they decided to let them have puppies. They didn't know the full history of either Basset or their lineage, but that wasn't really a concern...they just thought it'd be cute to have puppies and make a little money, I guess.

They bred the two a second time. They had kept one puppy from the previous litter and their son, who is my age, took another, but they hadn't kept in contact with anyone else who had taken home a puppy. Olive came from the second litter.

Originally, it was my mom who wanted a puppy. When she found out they were Bassets, she was thrilled because she grew up in the Appalachian mountains and had TONS of Beagles and Bassets growing up since my Grandpa had been an avid hunter.

My mom wasn't able to see the puppies first, so my little sister and I went to check them out for her. They won us over IMMEDIATELY. Their big sister (from the first litter) was absolutely insane, but the mother and father were both sweet, gentle and absolutely gorgeous dogs. My father told my mother that they just didn't have the time or finances to care for a puppy, which broke my mom's heart.

I, on the other hand, had been thinking very seriously about getting a puppy with my husband. We were separated because of the military and I was feeling depressed and unmotivated. I knew that I needed something to love that would force me to get up and do something every day and not focus on our terrible situation so much. This handsome brown and white Basset that was sitting in front of me with big, soft brown eyes while I lovingly doled on one of his babies was telling me he knew a pup perfect for the job!

I chose Olive. Of course, at the time, she wasn't Olive yet. There were 8 puppies. 2 boys, 6 girls. The smallest boy was the only Black Tri, 2 (1 boy & 1 girl) were a deep brown and white like their Daddy, 4 lemon and white girls and then there was the chubby bunny...the only red and white of the group. I knew that this fat little red and white with a heart on her forehead (like her Mama!) was MINE. She was calling out to me. I visited the puppies a few times within the next couple of weeks.

The house was small and the area that the puppies were kept in (the living room) was becoming way too small for them as the weeks went by. The sheet of thick plastic that covered the floor was cleaned every night, apparently, but it was gross to see the puppies happily padding through their own poo and pee every day without a care. I didn't like it. I originally told the family we'd take our puppy (still unnamed, however, I had a list of about 8 names at the ready) at 8 weeks, like the others were set to do. Then, at 6 weeks, I went to visit and didn't even want to pick my pup up because of all the poop on her legs and feet. :/ That night, the family called us and said that the puppies were getting a little overwhelming and did I possibly want to pick mine up early? I said no, but then called back and agreed. I needed to get my dog out of that house!

My sister and I grabbed a towel, went to Wal-Mart for the basic supplies we'd need, and then went to pick her up. On the way, my sister asked what her name would be. I still didn't know. As we were driving, I was thinking about my list of names and my brain went elsewhere..."Olive. Her name is going to be Olive." My sister said, "That wasn't on the list. I like it." "Me too."

So we picked her up and brought her home. She was free (it was supposed to be a free pup for my mom, but it got "transferred" to me) and her siblings went for $300 each. Life became chaotic, but in a good way. I had a bright spot. I had something that I loved that made me wake up every day. I love her with every fiber of my being (even if she is turning out to be more of a Daddy's Girl than a Mama's Girl) and I'm glad I took her when I did.

I now know 6 weeks is too young, but we got lucky. Olive had a big sister (4 year old Golden) to teach her the ropes, show her how to act and to take care of her.

I also now know that this family, although close to us, was not breeding their dogs responsibly. They didn't give us any Basset 101 before we took her, they didn't tell us about the health of the parents or any tips on how to care for such a young pup. I did all of this research on my own and it's why I started looking up Basset Forums and found this lovely site. I don't know what I'd do without everyone here, honestly. I just recently told the man of that house about Olive's health issues and he said there wasn't anything but a little a joint pain that went away with Aspirin after a few days. He can't remember which dog it was though. Unfortunately, the family let these same two dogs have a third litter (they told me they were going to spay the girl after her second litter) and they were born halfway into May.

Because of this experience, I have decided that any and all dogs that come into our home from here on out are going to be Rescues. That's how it was in our family before Olive and now that's how it's going to stay. Olive is my little angel and I feel like I rescued her, but I won't be fooled again.


Sorry this is so long. I needed to get the whole process off my chest. If you read everything...bless you.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i depends on the situation and who is better equipted to do the necesary socialization the breeder or the owner. The earlier a pup is removed from the litter typically them more it will bond with humans in favor of dog and vice versa

see Puppy Socialisation and Habituation (Part 1) Why is it Necessary

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Guide Dogs for the Blind, who, until 1956, used to rely on the donation of adult dogs which they took on approval to maintain their training stock. The success rate of these dogs fluctuated between 9 and 11 percent and it was recognised that this could be improved if the association could supervise the rearing of puppies
...Derek found that six weeks was the best time to place puppies in private homes; any later critically reduced the time left before the puppies reached twelve weeks; but if puppies were removed from their dam and litter mates before six weeks they missed the opportunity to be properly socialised with their own kind, which resulted in inept interactions with other dogs in later life. The training success rate soared because of this policy, which was carried out in conjunction with the management of the gene pool via the breeding scheme Derek also pioneered. Annual success rates in excess of 75 percent became common. You might think that this is a special scheme for dogs with a special function. In fact, what the scheme provides is adult dogs with sound temperaments. These dogs coincidentally make the best material for guide dog training which does not start until they have been assessed at ten months or older. As a result of the breeding scheme, Derek Freeman also proved, if proof was needed, that you cannot dismiss the importance of genetic predisposition, i.e. the basic material required for good temperament can be produced through good breeding. Conversely, a lack of habituation/socialisation can ruin the chance of an individual developing a sound temperament, however good the genealogy.
teaching bite inhibition which they learn from littermates is going to be on average a little rougher with a dog removed earlier. and more onus is on the owner for dog vs dog socialization
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I took Bowser from his horrible breeders at six weeks. A day under, I think. Got his worms cleaned out, his ear mites and fleas cleaned up...got him on some good food. He has terrible genetics, and turns out his mama was only 1 year old when she had her litter. they had 9 and three died. Never did find out of what. Bowser had our female beagle, Daisy, to learn doggy stuff with (basically how to beg, steal food, and be bad) and learned not to bite, and how to be sweet and love mama and dada from us : )

He has health problems. Low immune system, knuckling over on his front legs, allergies, can't eat beef or chicken..he breaks out into an ichy rash..He had MANGE when we got him...didn't figure out what that was until months later.

Anyway...agreed on never again. We got no help, no info, nothing from the breeders and now they've divorced and the lady died! I don't even know where Bowser's dog parents are anymore.
I did find out his mom got pregnant on accident again,and had ONE puppy shortly after having bowser's litter.
Ridiculous. They did finally spay her.
anyway, you're not alone. Don't feel bad. I am actually very glad i took bowser as early as i did.
I wish i could go back and know some of his health problems early on..but he's my little pride and joy!
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I understand what you mean. Rosco is the only dog we have ever had as a puppy. Our other 3 hounds are all rescued and all our dogs from this point on will be rescues. There is nothing more rewarding than seeing the love in the eyes of a once unwanted hound. As I sit here typing this, I'm being loved by our most recent rescue a 12 yr old previously unwanted hound. Beau was not a planned adoption more of an impluse to help out a hound and need but I don't regret taking him in one bit. He's the sweetest old hound and in a very short time has become very loved in our house. Both my husband and I find ourselves hoping that we have many more years to spoil and enjoy our Beau Beau as well as our other hounds.
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Oh my goodness. I am SO relieved to hear that I'm not alone! Jaleely, you found Bowser in much worse condition than I found Olive and I am so very glad you saved him from such poor circumstances. You're a good Basset parent

Roscolaylamommy, it's good to see Beau is doing so much better now that he's with you. You's a good mama, too! Did you see my message to you about Rosco?
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Oh my goodness. I am SO relieved to hear that I'm not alone! Jaleely, you found Bowser in much worse condition than I found Olive and I am so very glad you saved him from such poor circumstances. You're a good Basset parent

Roscolaylamommy, it's good to see Beau is doing so much better now that he's with you. You's a good mama, too! Did you see my message to you about Rosco?
I did! Rosco is very flattered. He tells me that Olive is much prettier than his bratty older sister Layla.
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roscolaylamommy is Beau the basset that was being given up by a women in NC back in March? It was her father-in-laws dog and didn't want to keep him anymore and so many people pulled together to have him transported to you? I just recently read the post and wanted to know what happened to the "old Guy". I was so touched by everyone's actions to save this guy, I was looking for an update on him, but never came across one. Bless you for keeping him!
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roscolaylamommy is Beau the basset that was being given up by a women in NC back in March? It was her father-in-laws dog and didn't want to keep him anymore and so many people pulled together to have him transported to you? I just recently read the post and wanted to know what happened to the "old Guy". I was so touched by everyone's actions to save this guy, I was looking for an update on him, but never came across one. Bless you for keeping him!
That's him. He's doing great here and I suspect he's loving life here. He's the old man of the house and is SPOILED! There are a few updates on him. You can search for post written by me and Beau's updates should come up.
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The earlier a pup is removed from the litter typically them more it will bond with humans in favor of dog and vice versa
thanks for sharing your story Olive! yeah us too, wouldn't get from the same breeder, it wasn't good. she seemed professional & knowledgeable but we didn't do enough research to be able to tell good vs not good breeder. in retrospect, having 40 puppies at a time shoulda told us! (had 4 litters, 3 with the same Papa-- that's a lot of half siblings for me. in fact, methinks me has at least 100 half-siblings).

Mikey, that kinda explains a lot. i was taken away from my 'commune' (dunno how else to describe it? i wuz with other litters and other Mamas, along w/my own) at 16 weeks/4 months to go live with my person. i am extremely well-socialized, not cuz my person did anything, told that i am very gentle/respectful of other dogs. 'i just came that way' but prob one reason is being taken away so late methinks. and with peeples i m not as attached as some of the other bassets r here.... interesting.... food for thought.... Worm
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in retrospect, having 40 puppies at a time shoulda told us! (had 4 litters, 3 with the same Papa-- that's a lot of half siblings for me. in fact, methinks me has at least 100 half-siblings).

...and with peeples i m not as attached as some of the other bassets r here.... interesting....
Oh no, Worm! That sounds an awful lot like a puppy mill :/ Well, we're sure glad you made it out okay and that you're a good boy! I thought my two half-siblings were a lot. Good grief!

Olive is certainly one of those "attached" Bassets you mentioned. You should give her some lessons on independence! I'll pay you in peanut butter cookies
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