chandlerT

Has anyone tried a haltie or "illusion collar" (ceasar millan)?

I've been interested in both. A choke chain really just ... well, chokes them. I've been working on no pulling now that the sun is actually showing itself again (yay!!).

Also, has anyone tried the no pulling - bungee type - leashes?

Sorry, I'm just so full of random questions, lol!

Thanks!

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2hounds

I don't know much about either of these so I "googled" them. Here are some links I found:

http://101-dog-training-tips.com/Dog_Train..._training.shtml

www.cesarmillaninc.com/products/faq.php

Hope these help.

~Heather

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vienneau4

I tried a Haltie on our Golden Retriever a long time ago. Took forever to walk him because he was determined to take it off. Gave up shortly after. Just my experience, never tried it on a Basset.

Marcia

It doesn't matter really what kind of collar you use - you have to train the dog to heel (yes it can be done with bassets). Usually a chain collar is good for this because used properly it gives an audible correction. The point is to briefly pull and release when the dog is lagging or pulls ahead. Before any of this, get a fanny pack and fill it with tiny, very special treats (bits of hot dog, etc.). Use these initially to help position the dog next to you, and intermittently thereafter. Never underestimate the power of a basset's food drive! They do get the idea eventually, and training is so much better for the dog than contraptions. By the way, the chain collar should only be worn for training sessions and taken off for the rest of the day. Use a regular nylon collar for ID and such. I'm not sure if I explained this very well - There are lots of dog training websites that might make it clearer. Also - a couple sessions with a trainer might be a good idea, as long as they use food rewards. Trust me, nothing else works with bassets.....

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FreeRangeBassets

I've never had much success with choke chains (Golden Retrievers or Bassets...yes, all have been obedience trained). I am a big fan of pinch collars. They only look evil.

I only use them when walking the dogs. But, no more pulling, and they all remember their manners.

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Mikey T

For many dog halti and/or gentle leaders can be dificult to get use to. It is general best to get the dog aclimated to putting it on and off before actually using it. As with any training aid whether can be useful or not is dependant on the dog and how you use it and to a large extent personal preferrence.

I have use a gentle leader but only in instance I wanted control of the head not for simple leash walking here are a couple of oposing view point on head halters both of which are valid to some extent

THE PROBLEM WITH HEAD HALTERS

A Case for GLs

as mentioned by free range bassets a prong collar can give an added bit of control as conpared to a regular choke chain. Basset in general apear less sensitive in the neck area than many other breed so a little added sensation can be helpful. One caveat I would and however is every dog is an indivual. I have one Touch sensitive hound that goes absolutely nuts with a prong collar. To be most effect both the choke and prong should be worn high on the neck, near the ear. I have allway had a hard time maintaining the collar in that position, many do not, so either collar is not my first choice but they do work well for many

TRAINING WITH THE PRONG COLLAR
A clear eyed look at this controversial training equipment

I do not reccommend a traditional harness for dogs that pull. They are derrived from similar harness made for sled dogs and actually encourage pulling. For pups that I don't want anything on the neck because of potential damage and for all other age dogs for that matter I have always reccommend a [url="http://www.sporn.com/product_info.php?products_id=28"]Sporn No pull Harness. They now have a Non-Pulling Mesh Harness which I have not used. I and other have found it very effect in gaining back control so you can train. The major draw back is it can be difficult to put on the dog the first few time until you figure it out.

I have never used one but have heard only good thing about SENSE-ible™ Dog Harness However first reports on any new training device are ussually good as the first to use are those more devoted to the premise it will work so they are more apt to make it work than the average person that pick it up later after hear much" buzz" about it.

vonny

I'm sorry if I offend anyone but I think that the use of prong collars or any similar device is totally cruel,even a check chain is not necessary.
I easily walk two Bassets and a Beagle together on normal collars and will continue to do so.
I have no problem with Haltis or harnesses but would never entertain anything that would hurt my hounds.

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Mikey T

FWIW a choke chain is more likely to injure than a prong collar which like a martingale collar is limited in how much it can move. A choke chain has no similar restriction. And again any training tool flat buckle collar, tradional harness etc. has the ability to inflict pain it is all in how it is used. Just as in teaching someone to dance on can gentlely guide another with physical touch or they can push and bully them around it is all a matter of degrees and where one cross the line to the other is a matter of the beholder or the one being touched. One when chosing training equipment must keep in mind how it is to be used and if they are
1 capable of using it appropriately
2. comforable with using it
3. is appropriate for that particular dog
the answer will be different of different people, dogs and circumstances.

SELECTING TRAINING EQUIPMENT

Kerrio

Very true - but at the point you are using a prong collar you have to wonder if you are heading down the wrong street, the prong collar is physically designed to inflict pain, ie negative reinforcement (as is the choke). But then we are into the realms of "is physical correction ever appropriate" etc... which is a bit of a dog-owners's minefield.

Back to the original question, we've had a lot of good results using Haltis - though it is not for every dog, we have "cured" some "dyed in the wool" pullers - and failed with others. From my own experience, bungees just take some of the strain from the jolt when they lunge but do not help to reduce the pulling behaviour.

3 of our current dogs were pullers, 2 have responded well to the halti - the third has not responded as well, he's better than he was but has some problems (well - lots actually! ) . Though I have to admit, none of ours are Bassets!


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Mikey T

That is where you are mistaken the intent of the collar is not to inflict pain if anything a traditional choke iduces mor pain and injury it is to create more feeling. It intent is to be used with a light touch much lighter than is required with a choke chain.
It is not for all dog or all handlers It very look is what puts most people off they never get to the point of how it actual work and how to use it effectively. if interested in learn more read the link I posted above. FWIW it is by the same author who wrote about the "problem with head halters" which are not without their own set of risks.