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THE “SIGNS OF A BACKYARD BREEDER” THAT ARE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG

"Our potential puppy buyers pass the pages around. New breeders, enthusiastic about their membership with the “good guys,” share them too. They are printed and re-printed and gathered by online dog magazines, shelters, even breed clubs.

And they are fatally, horribly wrong.

Let’s take a look at the ten worst “signs of a backyard breeder.”
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THE “SIGNS OF A BACKYARD BREEDER” THAT ARE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG

"Our potential puppy buyers pass the pages around. New breeders, enthusiastic about their membership with the “good guys,” share them too. They are printed and re-printed and gathered by online dog magazines, shelters, even breed clubs.

And they are fatally, horribly wrong.

Let’s take a look at the ten worst “signs of a backyard breeder.”
Sorry Mikey but I got down to 'False' point 5, and, feeling my BP going through the roof, looked no further. Apart from some of that BS stating the 'Bleedin obvious' (sic if the sire of the litter isn't one bred by the bitch/litter owner he won't be there and further if mum can't be seen with her litter .....) I have to ask why I've been banging the drum re BYBing for all these years.

When buying a new puppy - contact the Breed Club for names (most BCs have Codes of Ethics which preclude KNOWN BYBs), but bottom line, with all the acclamations in place, this is a relationship that needs to work so if anybody doesn't feel comfortable about people/conditions, then DON'T BUY.

If there's any danger about any of what's written there, it's WHAT'S WRITTEN THERE. Apologies if this was posted as a joke, but I am concerned enough about my breed, to take this very seriously.

ps No, people don't NEED to show, but not only does it show commitment to their chosen breed if they do, for most people, getting out with a puppy, especially when owner-bred, is a yardstick, telling that breeder he is headed in the right direction - given that all judging is subjective but a concensus (wins from a number of different judges) should be a pretty good indication of whether what you have is 'good' - too easy to clamp rose-coloured specs. on otherwise.
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s No, people don't NEED to show, but not only does it show commitment to their chosen breed if they do, for most people, getting out with a puppy, especially when owner-bred,
for what it is worth the Working Border Collie Association in the US will have nothing to do with AKC because of the Breed standard . It is not conducive to a working dog. Breeding for and testing/showing for purpose is superior in most instances to confirmation breeding only As long as the breed standard is correct , for working dogs breeding for both is ideal. There are problems
with AKC confirmation for both Parson russel terriers and border collies along with a number of other breed and why there is a huge disparity in the look of dogs from confirmation and working lines. There should not be such a disparity if the confirmation mantra of form follows function is correct.

There are also breed club that have not kept up with science when it comes to breeding and the code of ethic Such as skipping a cycle. Science show it is far better for a breeding bitch to be bred every cycle than spayed when breeding career is over than breeding every other cycle or just a couple of time spaced out. Eliminates the pyo risk complete and a few other risk are deminished as well. from the CARDIGAN wELSH cORGI Club of America Code of ethics " Section 2. Members are expected to comply with the following rules. Failure to comply with the following may be considered to be action(s) not in the best interests of the Club or Breed. Leasing an animal does not exempt the owner from complying with these rules.

No member shall breed a bitch to cause her to produce puppies more often than twice in 18 months nor breed her before 12 months of age."

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The experts all seem to agree that the least healthy approach for a breeding bitch is to skip heat cycles and keep the bitch unbred. This is not only Dr. Hutchinson's philosophy as Dr. Threlfall at Ohio State Univ. teaches the same thing
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(my husband just attended a Cont. Ed seminar on Canine Repro earlier this year at OSU). This is NOT new information, either. I was reading Dr. Billinghurst's book GROW YOUR PUP WITH BONES, which addresses the health of puppies as well as their parents and reproductive issues. This is not a new book (maybe 10 years old?). He states the same thing. Canines are meant to be pregnant on every heat cycle.

As Dr. Hutchinson explains it in his seminars, the hormones are the same and the bitch goes through the same changes whether they are bred or not. So when the hormones 'do their thing' to a uterus that does not have pups, it is "hammered" (his term) by the hormones and causes aging and thickening which makes the uterine lining less conducive to implantation and more prone to infection over time. The recommendation it to breed them young, breed on every heat cycle until you are done, then spay them. THAT is the healthiest scenario for your breeding bitch. While Dr. Threlfall and Dr. Hutchinson don't see eye to eye on some issues, this one they completely agree on. I have to wonder if anyone has found a vet knowledgable on repro issues who states otherwise.

Yet there are still people who refuse to believe this advice. I have often wondered about the practice of condemning back-to-back breedings. I wonder if it stems from the way bitches blow their coat post weaning which may lead people to feel the bitch is not recovering well. I know that our girls blow their coat at the same time they would after being in heat (about 4 months) whether bred or not, but the post puppy coat loss is usually more. I suspect that this appearance made people believe that the bitch was completely run down and it "was hard on her" having the pups.

Unfortunately, in our current PC environment, we want to suggest that people who breed more than one litter every several years are simply money hungry puppy mills and some of us are quick to condemn their practices based on this mentality. So if someone follows the EXPERTS advice concerning their dogs, the self appointed Ethics Police talk poorly of them ignoring the fact that what they are doing is biologically in the BEST interest of their dogs.
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mational things she came back with, was that there have been scientific studies to show that it is WORSE for bitches to be skipped heat cycles, and once you have begun to mate a bitch that you should NOT skip any heat cycles until she is completely finished breeding. You know a bitch is 'done' breeding when their is a drastic decline in litter size.

I have heard that this is also common practice in European Countries.

The study followed 5 colonies of dogs (labs, min-pin, 2 other purebreds and 1 group of lab mixes) in the college research breeding program. 1/2 of each colony was bred every single heat cycle, 1/2 skipped every other one.

After they were finished breeding, the bitches were spayed and their uterus dissected. Those showing most stress, and damage were the ones that had been skipped, since it is NATURAL in the wild for dogs to be bred EVERY HEAT CYCLE it is what their bodies were meant to do.

The SCIENTISTS and DOG EXPERTS explained that the skip every other heat program was an myth, probably started by people trying to impose their human emotions on to their dogs. Women try to get back their girlish figure between pregnancies, and that is not a priority for dogs.
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is frequently claimed that breeding dogs on every heat or “back to back breeding” is bad for a bitch’s long term health and well being. However the research in canine reproduction shows that not breeding a dog when it comes into heat can in fact be bad for its health.
Scientist have shown that pseudopregnancy ['phantom pregnancy'] increases the risk of mammary cancers which are the second most common cancer in dogs after skin tumours and are 3-5 times more common than breast cancers in women1:
Pseudopregnancy often occurs when a bitch is not bred. She will show signs such as nesting, weight gain, mammary enlargement and lactation – usually about 6 to 12 weeks after oestrus. Pseudopregnancy represents the extreme of the changes which normally occur during the oestrus cycle and it is suggested that it is a hang over from dogs evolution from wolves. Subordinate non breeding pseudopregnant female wolves in a pack can help to raise pups by nursing the litters of other females” 2
In 1994 Donnay and his associates showed that there is a relationship between the number of pseudopregnancies a bitch goes through and the development of mammary cancer – see Table 1 below3. Verstegen and Onclin (2006)1 have also studied canine mammary cancer and found that a large number of bitches presented for mammary tumours also show pseudopregnancy, that a large percentage of these females had had frequent pseudopregnancies and that the bitches with recurring pseudopregnancy at each cycle tended to develop mammary tumours significantly earlier than other animals.
as for number 5 I have posted many times the There is absolutely no health benefit vs risk to nuetering males and for females it comes to breed "specifics and even line specifics when to spay or if to spay. If one wants to control and limit offspring there is the limit registration but such a dog can not be shown. Then again it can't be shown is spayed or nuetered either, not in this country. A limit registration does not allow puppies to be register in AKC if produced but any number of other registries in this country will register a ham sandwich if you pay them. THe best quarantee of a pet quality dog not reproducing is knowing the family it is being placed with.

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Very educational. Every breeder I have spoken with does some of the things in mixed variations that the author is saying are actually bad.
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Jack Russell Terrier JRTCA What's in a Name?
All of the terriers on this page are included in the original Jack Russell Terrier breed standard developed by the Jack Russell Terrier Club of Great Britain (JRTCG and adopted by the JRTCA at its founding in 1976.

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The Real Jack Russell Terrier may be any height between 10" and 15" (at the shoulder), it may vary in coats, markings, type, and for sure personality… they are ALL real Jack Russell Terriers. There is no "ideal" …. the "ideal" is what suits their owner for what they want/need to do with their terrier. That is the uniqueness of this diverse terrier. The diversity within the JRTCA breed standard is what makes the Jack Russell Terrier suitable for a variety of working and performance abilities - in contrast with the narrow, cosmetic breed standards of many show breeds.

The "Russell Terrier" and the "Parson Russell Terrier" are both variants of the Jack Russell Terrier made into “separate breeds” by the AKC. They are nothing more than variants of the original Jack Russell Terrier as always supported by the JRTCA. The JRTCA standard includes the full range of sizes needed for earth work. It is to be known our standard is to allow a terrier to follow the red fox to ground. The dog needed the drive and structure to mirror the agile intelligent fox. The Jack Russell Terrier had to be able to outsmart the fox and have the courage to do so for the handler as a team.

The real Jack Russell Terrier has been preserved as a working dog. Every effort has been made to eliminate and prevent genetic defects/faults within the JRTCA registry.


The JRTCA is the oldest and largest breed club for the original Jack Russell Terrier. The JRTCA is affiliated to the Jack Russell Club of Great Britain (JRTCG, the breed club for the Jack Russell Terrier in England, its country of origin. Both clubs have always been, and remain, adamantly opposed to all-breed/kennel club registration of the Jack Russell Terrier



...The Fox Terrier, accepted as a kennel club breed in the late 1800's, has undergone many conformational changes as a result of the whims of the show ring, resulting in today's Modern Fox Terrier. Conformational changes such as a deep chest, long, narrow head structure, and extremely straight shoulders make it very unlikely that a fox terrier of today's standard could follow a fox into a shallow earth, even if the instinct to do so remained. John Russell maintained his strain of fox terriers bred strictly for working, and the terrier we know of today as the Jack Russell is much the same as the pre-1900 fox terrier. It is interesting to note that John Russell was one of the original founders of England's Kennel Club in 1873; in 1874, he judged Fox Terriers in the first Kennel Club sanctioned show in London. While he remained a Kennel Club member for the rest of his life, he did not exhibit his own dogs. The Jack Russell has survived the changes that have occurred in the modern-day Fox Terrier because it has been preserved by working terrier enthusiasts in England for more than 100 years; it has survived on its merit as a working. It is the foremost goal of the JRTCA that the Jack Russell continued in that tradition.

There has been a great increase in the conformation showing of Jack Russell in recent years. Conformation exhibiting has been very effective in the U.S. in promoting correct conformation according to the JRTCA breed standard, thereby improving the quality of the breeding stock in this country.

RaccoonHowever, while showing is beneficial to the breed in that respect, the JRTCA designs its trials to keep the working aspects of the terrier in the forefront. The highest awards presented to a terrier by the JRTCA are its working awards; the Natural Hunting Certificate and the Bronze Medallion for Special Merit in the Field.

The JRTCA National Trial Conformation Champion is selected from the JRTCA Working Terrier Division of the National Trial; all entries have proven their working ability to having earned at least one Natural Hunting Certificate in the field. JRTCA sanctioned conformation judges are required to have an in-depth, first-hand knowledge of terrier work, and understand the importance of the physical characteristics necessary for a terrier to be useful for the work he was bred to do. These judges are required to work their terriers in the field.
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American Border Collie Association: Promoting the Working Border Collie

Note: The ABCA does not recognize any registry that promotes conformation showing of Border Collies. Consequently, registration with the American Kennel Club, United Kennel Club, the Kennel Club (UK), Federation Cynologique Internationale, Australian or New Zealand Kennel Clubs, or any such body will not be accepted as a basis for registration with the ABCA.

he ABCA is a working stockdog registry and believes that breeding for conformation standards rather than working ability is detrimental to the health and working ability of the Border Collie. Consequently dogs or bitches which have been named a "Conformation Champion" by a conformation registry are not eligible for ABCA registration, even if they otherwise meet the requirements for registration. The ABCA will de-register any ABCA registered dog or bitch should it be named a "Conformation Champion" after January 1, 2004, and will not register the offspring of any dog or bitch named a "Conformation Champion" after that date."
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"Every breeder I have spoken with does some of the things in mixed variations that the author is saying are actually bad."


actual with the the exception of breeding protocol and if you read her actual full posts on this she note the non-health reason it is done often because one can not show confirmational a dog that it being bred all the time There is growing support that using drugs to prevent estrus is benefitial rather than skipping heat cycles but still not conclusive. Every thing else is not necesarily bad but doing otherwise is not bad as well

oN THE ADVERIZING front many breed club codes of ethics forbids it but it is shooting oneself in the foot. An makes confirmation people appear to be arogant etc to the general public.
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Litter announcement on face book and other social media is advertizing. A kennel or personal web page is advertizing etc. Confirmation breeder just do it in a different less effective manner. Most working dog breeder do not have the same phobia against advertizing, nor does that phobia extend to most European breeders. Breed clubs and confirmation breeders need to do a much better job of self promotion out to the general public to regain the respected an lofty place they once help in public trust that they have let erode do to neglect and not contering false claims by hate groups.
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1. Beware if the breeder doesn’t show their dogs in conformation shows.

While we do show in confirmtion we also do working dog stuff and performance dog stuff. We have referred people to working dog only breeder when what they were selling and the buyer was looking for were a match.

Beware if the breeder doesn’t allow you to see the parents. A responsible breeder should be more than willing to allow you to meet the parents of your future puppy.

as I have said over and over again having both parents on site is generally a big red flag especial when it occurs over multiple litters. We well let people see puppies and momma and email photos of mama but it is by apointment only and at out convienence

Beware if the breeder doesn’t allow you to visit. It is vital to see where the puppies are being raised.

There are health and safety issuse depending on the age etc of the puppy. I am not an aboslutist on this but my personal tendency it be more concerned then not when access is not allowed without a very good explaination.

Beware if the breeder breeds several types of dogs. The purpose of a responsible breeder is to better the breed. How are they able to do that if they are focusing on different breeds?

there is a big difference between one that has a couple 3 different breed and 100 different breeds Many very good and responsible hoppy breeders are into 2-4 different breeds

5.Beware if the breeder doesn’t issue a spay/neuter contract. Very few people are qualified to breed. A responsible breeder will issue a limited registration contract and require that you fix your dog by a certain age.

The science on dog health points to a grwing concensus that leaving a dog or bitch intact is often the healthy decission in the long run. Such contracts are also ineffective at preventing breeding as they ussual are uninforceable. and limited resgistration limits showing the dog in conformation and often in working dog programs like field trials as well For instance AKC allows spay and nuetered dogs in Basset field trials but not limited registered dog or ILP dogs as well.

Beware if the breeder often has puppies available. Most responsible breeders will create a wait list of people who are interested in their puppies and will only breed when they have enough people to adopt the majority of the litter.


One need to breed for the betterment of the breed and this thakes precedent over having buyers lined up ahead of time provided you are willing to take on the responsibility of the entire litter if it comes to that. Often times given the ages of the Dam and access to the right sire makes a breeding window very narrow. Even having a huge waiting list is no guarantee than all the puppies will go in a timely manner. With the last litter we had an abudance of prospective owner looking for female puppies and absolutely no one looking for a male. We were fortunate only one male was born and of the Nine prospective buyers for 4 available females they all dropped out . The only puppy that left at our normal 10-12 week old window was the male that did not have any one on a waiting list for,

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Beware if the breeder isn’t active in breed specific clubs. Membership to any of these clubs shows the breeder is willing to continue learning to help the improve the breed.

it highly depends on the individual breed club for that breed BHCA does a reasonable Job of updating code of ethics and breeding recomendation to keep in tune with current science much more so than many other breeds. http://www.basset-bhca.org/index.php...=56&Itemid=133 They do not have anything in the code that is contrary to good breeding practices. So not being a member of BHCA and.or a more local basset club is more damning than it would be for some other clubs

Good breeders line up qualified buyers in advance of birth of a litter and rarely ever advertise.

all breeder need to advertise it is only the way the go about it is different and in many cases not better and even harmful. this is an old school meme that does not benefit the breed, the breed clubs or individule breeders and should be jettisoned as soon a posible

Beware if the breeder offers to ship their dogs to new owners without meeting them first—a responsible breeder meets the new parents before she sends her pups home with them.

this occur all the time in working dogs and rare breeds. As reputaion and etc of the individules involved are clearly known and reliable. However new USDA rules make this extremely difficult and put any breeder doing so now in great danger of being regulated as a puppymill if they do so. The must be extremely small ie less than 4 intacted females.

Beware if the breeder does not reject high-risk buyers: (renters, young people, those with poor track records, low income, other pets, dogs kept outdoors)

each buyer is an individual and must be ascessed that way. Blanket Must have a fenced yard etc are elitest claptrap. Yes there can be red flags with certain thing but one must look at the whole and not single individual items to qualify or disqualify a buyer/

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