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Old 11-19-2012, 05:23 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Five minutes a month is a well known rule, to allow a young pup unrestricted play with and older far heavier dog is in my opinion asking for problems , which can be debilitating, long lasting & painful for the pup especially in a heavy breed as a Basset. As for structured road walking (do you mean on a lead) at two months for me that would be 5 mins out & 5 back & I'd probably split that into two walks. Dogs learn through play but a pup of mine would not be allowed to play with a mature dog for any length of time, Socialisation is introducing a pup to as many positive experiences as possible, & for the first few months I carried the pup. We're all different but I'm not going to take risks with any pup, stairs are a no no, even now there's a gate, even steps I'd be wary of & I wouldn't be suggesting to anyone that it was OK to do otherwise.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:07 PM   #32 (permalink)
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While I understand that everyone has their own ideas and thoughts, I have never heard of this "5 minute" rule. Maybe I am misunderstanding this but what I got out of it is.....no more than 5 minutes a month of playing with an older dog in the household, take it for a walk of 2 1/2 minutes twice a day and carry it everywhere else. I must be missing something because my first thought is how will they ever develop any muscle mass if not allowed to run around and play not to mention how the two dogs will get along when both mature.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:05 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Unbelievable – I had to Google this before I made a comment as I didn’t’ want to speak out of line. There really is a 5 minute rule – from what I could find it’s the Brian Heward 5-minute rule. As crazy as that sounds.

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Puppies need much less exercise than fully-grown dogs. If you over-exercise a growing puppy you can overtire it and damage its developing joints, causing early arthritis. A good rule of thumb is a ratio of five minutes exercise per month of age (up to twice a day) until the puppy is fully grown, i.e. 15 minutes when three months old, 20 minutes when four months old etc. Once they are fully grown, they can go out for much longer.

It is important that puppies and dogs go out for exercise every day in a safe and secure area, or they may become frustrated. Time spent in the garden (however large) is no substitute for exploring new environments and socialising with other dogs. (Make sure your puppy is trained to recall so that you are confident that he will return to you when called).

You should never exercise your dog on a full stomach as this can contribute to bloat.
Call me crazy I’ve never used a time limit of any kind with any of my dogs – large or small. The only “time” limit I have with them has been with basset’s and playing or walking before or after eating or drinking because of bloat. Other than that – they play when they want to even with small 5lb puppy shi-poo playing with 65 & 85 lb basset hounds. I would always be in the same room or outside with them and make sure they didn’t body slam him or try and bounce off his back – but if they were playing I didn’t ring a bell and say – ok time’s up you have to go sit. They would play – pass out then wake to more play – that’s what being a puppy is all about. Depending on the time of year – they all go for one or two walks a day weather permitting - extreme hot or cold of course they didn’t’ go.


There are a couple breeders on this site – I’m almost sure they don’t separate the pups after five minutes of play. They spend all day all night playing/eating/sleeping/playing/eating/sleeping. IMHO – it’s cruel to take a puppy that has been playing every day before they come home – to then stop them from all forms of exercise. Never underestimate the importance of exercise in a pups physical and mental wellbeing. You’ll find that if they have enough exercise, they’ll be less anxious, and less inclined to get into trouble because they’re bored. A tired puppy or dog is a happy pup or dog.


I say live dangerous – let your puppy play – take them for a walk – it’s important way they learn social & physical skills. They’ll thank you for it in being a more well-rounded dog and you’ll have a happier dog once an adult to show for all the fun they had while growing up. Not to mention the exercise they need to build strong muscle.

Here’s a couple links you can get some more info on –
http://www.healthypetu.com/wellness/exercise/why_play_is_important_for_pupp.aspx
http://puppy-dogs.com/2011/02/23/how-much-exercise-is-needed-for-puppies/

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Old 11-20-2012, 05:11 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Puppies need much less exercise than fully-grown dogs. If you over-exercise a growing puppy you can overtire it and damage its developing joints, causing early arthritis. A good rule of thumb is a ratio of five minutes exercise per month of age (up to twice a day) until the puppy is fully grown, i.e. 15 minutes when three months old, 20 minutes when four months old etc. Once they are fully grown, they can go out for much longer.

It is important that puppies and dogs go out for exercise every day in a safe and secure area, or they may become frustrated. Time spent in the garden (however large) is no substitute for exploring new environments and socialising with other dogs. (Make sure your puppy is trained to recall so that you are confident that he will return to you when called).

You should never exercise your dog on a full stomach as this can contribute to bloat.

also contains the often recoomend proven false allegation that exercise on a fll meal contributes to bloat. the Purdue bloat study disproved this allegation as well. Just pointing how common knowledge is well most of the time just plain wrong.

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Factors That Make Difference - These measures, long been thought to reduce the risk of bloat, were found to have no effect:

Restricting exercise before or after eating
Restricting water intake before and/or after meals
Feeding two or more meals per day
Moistening dry kibble before feeding

Factors That DO Make A Difference

These four (4) factors ARE associated with an increased risk of bloat in large breed dogs

1)Raising the food dish more than doubled the risk for bloat
2)Speed of eating -Dogs rated by their owners as very fast eaters had a 38% increased risk of bloat
3)Age: The study found that risk increased by 20% with each year of age. Owners should be more alert to early signs of bloat as their dogs grow older.
4)Family History: Having a first-degree relative (parent, sibling or offspring) that had bloated increased a dog's risk by 63%


no different than you mother telling you to wait an hour to go swiming after eating. Snopes.com
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Dogs learn through play but a pup of mine would not be allowed to play with a mature dog for any length of time,
very important learning occur during play restricting a dogs access to adult dogs an learning fundimental dog v dog communcation skills is a recipe for disaster that is far greater than any potential risk for injury.



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Also it appears those advocates of the five minute rule are strictly talking about forced exercise ie on leash walks. and not free play.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:53 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I have explained myself badly, five minute a month rule = five mins of pavement walking a day (on lead) for each month, so 1 month = 5 mins a day, 2 months = 10 min a day, 3 months = 15 mins a day & so on. Playing around the house or garden I wouldn't necessarily restrict but I would ensure that the pup has time out, rest periods. Playing with another pup of equal size fine but pups can be relentless & would not leave them alone & call time when pup tires. Playing with an adult dog and talking about Bassets here I'd be cautious & restrict. Sure I'd take the pup to classes, out & about, in the car, to the beach but I wouldn't be walking him there. Far better to tire there brain getting them to think, than overdoing it physically.
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Socialisation is a bigger subject, than just allowing dogs to play together.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:03 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Firstly at the first sign of mounting like the dark tricolour is doing, I'd have stepped in. She's obviously the dominant one, and once the playing gets to that level, she's reached the point when unless the other one backed down as right now she is, there could have been a full on battle doing on
it does not happen that is a full battle and humping is a normal part of play not some dark dominance posturing that some humans want to make it out to be

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Old 11-20-2012, 09:57 AM   #39 (permalink)
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My youngsters free play with each other, and with the adults as soon as they are large enough to do so safely (this depends on the adult, as some of mine play extremely well with very small pups). This has never resulted in an injury.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:13 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Isn't this about common sense? When we had puppies, I'd always try to run on two (or even three, once) together so until they were big enough, they didn't need to be in with the adults, at all. We had a singleton puppy once, who we didn't sell (a bitch yeah - so often singletons are male ) and once mum didn't want anything more to do with her, I felt so sorry for her stuck in a pen on her own. I'd actually carry her around with me rather than allow her to rough-house with the adults. And a right little Madam she ended up being.

I've not read abouit this 5-minute rule, but suffice to say Bassets are unique in being big, heavy puppies and until the muscle-tone is there, it's far too easy for them to be injured. Those I kept were show-potential, and I'd not even risk an injury.
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