Vaccine confusion

Barney'spal · 01-24-2012, 06:14 PM

Barney will be 1 shortly and have tried to do research on the various booster vaccines. I'm not a fan of all the injections but don't want to short change him. In my heart I feel that they may be doing more harm than good but really don't know enough. He lives in a rural area with much wildlife in the yard, never kenneled, no dog parks or day care. In other words, the danger is from the wildlife, not other dogs. That being said, I'm guessing the lepto is probably good for him and of course the regulated rabies but what about all the other stuff? I will be asking my vet but can't imagine that she'll tell me he doesn't need some of them. Have any of you done a better job of screening them and come up with a different list than the vets?

Callahan · 01-24-2012, 06:53 PM

I would follow your local vet's recommendations because he/she will know what dangers lurk around you. For instance, I don't have Callahan vaccinated for lepto now because the threat isn't around, whereas I used to have him vaccinated when we frequented my father's ranch that had wild deer about. Maybe get the list from him/her and post it here for people's comments?

On a side note, make sure to ask for the three-year rabies vaccination because some vets still try and use the one-year which, according to our vet, is a waste of time and money.

Mikey T · 01-24-2012, 08:33 PM

AAHA 2006 Vaccine Guidelines Revised

Canine and Feline Vaccination Guidelines
UC Davis

vaccines fall into two catagories core and non-core the core vaccines are rabbies and Distemper, canine andenovirus (modified live virus) and parvo

this should be administered a booster at one year and every 3 year after than

the other vaccines are non-core and should be or not be use depending on specific situation. for example bordetella if you do not board the dog or house with lots of other strange dog no need for it. lepto vaccine should be limited to areas of high seceptability that is dog exposed to damp swampy areas frequented by wildlife. if not the risk of it are very small. lyme only use where there it is endemic. etc. this is where talking to you vet is important.

for example her are a few of UC davis recommendation on Non-core vaccines and you will see how the are specifically geared to the area

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Canine Parainfluenza Virus and Bordetella bronchiseptica
These are both agents associated with kennel cough in dogs. For Bordetella bronchiseptica, intranasal vaccination with live avirulent bacteria is recommended for dogs expected to board, be shown, or to enter a kennel situation within 6 months of the time of vaccination. We currently stock the intranasal vaccine containing both B. bronchiseptica and CPiV. For puppies and previously unvaccinated dogs, only one dose of this vaccine is required (recommendations differ for the parenteral, killed form of this vaccine). Most boarding kennels require that this vaccine be given within 6 months of boarding; the vaccine should be administered at least one week prior to the anticipated boarding date for maximum effect.These are both agents associated with kennel cough in dogs. For Bordetella bronchiseptica, intranasal vaccination with live avirulent bacteria is recommended for dogs expected to board, be shown, or to enter a kennel situation within 6 months of the time of vaccination. We currently stock the intranasal vaccine containing both B. bronchiseptica and CPiV. For puppies and previously unvaccinated dogs, only one dose of this vaccine is required (recommendations differ for the parenteral, killed form of this vaccine). Most boarding kennels require that this vaccine be given within 6 months of boarding; the vaccine should be administered at least one week prior to the anticipated boarding date for maximum effect.

Canine Influenza Virus (CIV}
...At the time of writing, only a few cases of CIV infection have been documented in northern California and the infection has not been widely documented in the general dog population, so we do not recommend routine vaccination for dogs expected to board, be shown, or enter a kennel situation within northern California. Vaccination may have the potential to interfere with the results of serological testing, which in non-endemic areas are useful to assist diagnosis. The UC Davis VMTH does not stock the CIV vaccine or recommend it for use in dogs residing solely in northern California

...Canine Leptospira Vaccines
Multiple leptospiral serovars are capable of causing disease in dogs, and minimal cross-protection is induced by each serovar. Currently available vaccines do not contain all serovars, efficacies against infection with the targeted serovar are between 50 and 75%, and duration of immunity is probably about 1 year. However, leptospirosis is not uncommon in Northern Californian dogs with exposure histories involving livestock and areas frequented by wild mammals, the disease can be fatal or have high morbidity, and also has zoonotic potential. Therefore, we suggest annual vaccination of dogs living in/visiting rural areas or areas frequented by wildlife with vaccines containing all four leptospiral serovars (grippotyphosa, pomona, canicola and icterohemorrhagiae), ideally before the rainy season, when disease incidence peaks. The initial vaccination should be followed by a booster 2-4 weeks later, and the first vaccine be given no earlier than 12 weeks of age. In general, leptospiral vaccines have been associated with more severe postvaccinal reactions (acute anaphylaxis) than other vaccines. Whether the recent introduction of vaccines with reduced amounts of foreign protein has reduced this problem is still unclear. Vaccination of dogs in suburban areas with minimal exposure to farm animals or forested areas is not recommended.

Canine Borrelia burgdorferi (Lyme) Vaccine
The incidence of Lyme disease in California is currently considered extremely low. Furthermore, use of the vaccine even in endemic areas (such as the east coast of the US) has been controversial because of anecdotal reports of vaccine-associated adverse events. Most infected dogs show no clinical signs, and the majority of dogs contracting Lyme disease respond to treatment with antimicrobials. Furthermore, prophylaxis may be effectively achieved by preventing exposure to the tick vector. If travel to endemic areas (ie the east coast) is anticipated, vaccination with the Lyme subunit or OspC/OspA-containing bivalent bacterin vaccine could be considered, followed by boosters at intervals in line with risk of exposure. The UC Davis VMTH does not stock the Lyme vaccine or recommend it for use in dogs residing solely in northern California.

which give you an idea

Soundtrack · 01-24-2012, 08:51 PM

On top of Mikey's advice I would add that I do not vaccinate after 10 years of age.

Jnfr · 01-24-2012, 10:06 PM

For Jake and Abby I get them the Lepto, our yard is lousy with deer, bunnies, who knows what else! Also do the rabbies (mandated by law). Even tho' they only get the rare trip out. Other than the occasional beach trip. Don't do the kennel cough. Groomed at home, never boarded (have a sitter come to the house)

Naturally, also treat for heart worm, fleas and ticks.

Only issue I have had is Jake reacted when he had rabies and lepto the same day (his poor face swelled like a balloon... now I just break them up into separate weeks and he does find)

Mikey T · 01-25-2012, 10:21 AM

lepto has a fairly high adverse reaction rate compared to other vaccines.

Esther · 01-25-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Soundtrack

On top of Mikey's advice I would add that I do not vaccinate after 10 years of age.

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How come?

Hickory · 01-25-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

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How come?

I would imagine its because you don't want to risk issue of upregulating the immune response in such an old individual. It can lead to more harm than good.

Kirska · 01-25-2012, 10:55 AM

Distemper is one of the leading causes of death in dogs by contagious disease and it's airborne. You may keep your dog at your house all the time, but that does not prevent something from carrying a disease into that area. We live in the city and still have skunks and raccoons which both can carry distemper among other diseases. It is extremely difficult to treat and often fatal.

Personally we vaccine for any diseases we can which are difficult to treat and prevalent in the area, which usually includes rabies, lepto, and distemper/parvo. In terms of odds it's much more likely for a dog to catch one of those diseases than it is for them to have a reaction to the shot.

Barney'spal · 01-25-2012, 12:24 PM

Thanks to everyone..guess I'll just listen to my vet....My problem is that I just see so many 6-8 year old dogs getting cancer. The FDA has messed up so many drugs for people that I really don't have much trust in them or any drug company. We always had dogs when I was a kid and they all lived to a reasonably old age without the vaccines. To be honest, I don't know enough to form any kind of conviction....so guess I'll go with the flow.

01-24-2012, 06:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Barney'spal Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: northern michigan Posts: 710	Vaccine confusion Barney will be 1 shortly and have tried to do research on the various booster vaccines. I'm not a fan of all the injections but don't want to short change him. In my heart I feel that they may be doing more harm than good but really don't know enough. He lives in a rural area with much wildlife in the yard, never kenneled, no dog parks or day care. In other words, the danger is from the wildlife, not other dogs. That being said, I'm guessing the lepto is probably good for him and of course the regulated rabies but what about all the other stuff? I will be asking my vet but can't imagine that she'll tell me he doesn't need some of them. Have any of you done a better job of screening them and come up with a different list than the vets? __________________ Properly trained, a man can be a dog's best friend.

01-24-2012, 06:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Callahan Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Western New York Posts: 45	I would follow your local vet's recommendations because he/she will know what dangers lurk around you. For instance, I don't have Callahan vaccinated for lepto now because the threat isn't around, whereas I used to have him vaccinated when we frequented my father's ranch that had wild deer about. Maybe get the list from him/her and post it here for people's comments? On a side note, make sure to ask for the three-year rabies vaccination because some vets still try and use the one-year which, according to our vet, is a waste of time and money. __________________ -An eager, vocal, crook-kneed Spartan sweeping away the morning dew.

01-24-2012, 08:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
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01-25-2012, 10:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
Kirska Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 935	Distemper is one of the leading causes of death in dogs by contagious disease and it's airborne. You may keep your dog at your house all the time, but that does not prevent something from carrying a disease into that area. We live in the city and still have skunks and raccoons which both can carry distemper among other diseases. It is extremely difficult to treat and often fatal. Personally we vaccine for any diseases we can which are difficult to treat and prevalent in the area, which usually includes rabies, lepto, and distemper/parvo. In terms of odds it's much more likely for a dog to catch one of those diseases than it is for them to have a reaction to the shot. __________________ Mom to Anabelle and Lila, rescued ladies and Harley, Corgi/Beagle/Basset/?? mutt "Saving just one dog won't change the world, but it surely will change the world for that one dog." - Richard C. Call

01-25-2012, 12:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
Barney'spal Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: northern michigan Posts: 710	Thanks to everyone..guess I'll just listen to my vet....My problem is that I just see so many 6-8 year old dogs getting cancer. The FDA has messed up so many drugs for people that I really don't have much trust in them or any drug company. We always had dogs when I was a kid and they all lived to a reasonably old age without the vaccines. To be honest, I don't know enough to form any kind of conviction....so guess I'll go with the flow. __________________ Properly trained, a man can be a dog's best friend.

01-24-2012, 10:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jnfr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 784	For Jake and Abby I get them the Lepto, our yard is lousy with deer, bunnies, who knows what else! Also do the rabbies (mandated by law). Even tho' they only get the rare trip out. Other than the occasional beach trip. Don't do the kennel cough. Groomed at home, never boarded (have a sitter come to the house) Naturally, also treat for heart worm, fleas and ticks. Only issue I have had is Jake reacted when he had rabies and lepto the same day (his poor face swelled like a balloon... now I just break them up into separate weeks and he does find)

01-25-2012, 10:21 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mikey T Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: West Warrwick, RI Posts: 7,729	lepto has a fairly high adverse reaction rate compared to other vaccines.

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