Maezie's Vet Visit.

Mary1957 · 01-13-2012, 01:50 AM

Maezie and Carly went to the vet yesterday. Maezie weighs 14.8 and Carly weighs 14.4. I was sort of shocked because Carly looks bigger. They got their shots and are good for another 3 weeks. When they are 5-6 months old we will have them spayed. The vet said they also do a procedure that prevents bloating...I can't remember what its called...but do know I almost lost a Boxer to that several years ago. This will be done while they are being spayed. Not to much process being made in the "potty trained" department...Like everyone's been saying...one day it will click...hopefully. I get so frustrated at times. It's been raining here the past day or so...all Maezie wants to do is lap at the puddles on the side walk instead of pottying.

jaleely · 01-13-2012, 03:24 AM

Wow, that sounds...really expensive! Why would your vet prescribe a surgery for a puppy, when there is no sign or history of bloat? I admit, a lot of large chested dogs can be prone to it, but it is also found that if you limit activity, and water, after eating....bloat is not likely.

Well, if you do decide to do it, are they going to do it laproscopically? Spaying *and* a gastrointestinal surgery is a lot for a little one to go through. I have been through a duodoenal switch...stomach (removal of 90%) and intestinal rearrangement for weight loss and diabetes prevention, and let me tell you...it was *hard*. I'm a wuss kind of, but that was the hardest thing i've ever done. Granted, i don't think they're going to have to deal with the stomach issues i did...but still. It's a lot for a little body.

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Pricey · 01-13-2012, 03:31 AM

I had never heard of that procedure before but I agree with jayleey I think it's a lot to put a pup through.

Soundtrack · 01-13-2012, 05:55 AM

Stomach tacking. The surgery is to keep the stomach from twisting. I'm told it's fairly simple but I haven't done much research on it as I have never done it.

barneysmom2510 · 01-13-2012, 07:22 AM

I agree with what others have said I would really research to see if it is necessary to have this procedure especially on top of a spay. Barney has two vets and this procedure was never mentioned. Do they think they are at a higher risk for some reason or is this something they recommend for all dogs at risk for bloat. I am always thankful that I have a vet to help me care for Barney but sometimes it is good just to double check. Like others have said there are ways to help prevent bloat but I understand that you went through it before and do not want to have a repeat episode. I agree the weather is awful Barney has some serious cabin fever going on and my son is home sick so I can't really go anywhere with him.

Mikey T · 01-13-2012, 10:42 AM

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they also do a procedure that prevents bloating...

bloat and gdv are often used interchangable but when people think of bloat ot is a stomach full of air. this is not reall a problem and not what the surgery prevent what the surgery prevent is the stomach from twisting basical they tack the stomach to the abdominal wall so it can;t twist cut of blood supply to the instestine and the problem asociated with that.

Basset to Bloat but imho it is mot as serious or as common a problem that it is in giant and other large breeds. Their are no hard number on basset so it is speculation on everyone part on the prevailance.

barneysmom2510 · 01-13-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey T

bloat and gdv are often used interchangable but when people think of bloat ot is a stomach full of air. this is not reall a problem and not what the surgery prevent what the surgery prevent is the stomach from twisting basical they tack the stomach to the abdominal wall so it can;t twist cut of blood supply to the instestine and the problem asociated with that.

Basset to Bloat but imho it is mot as serious or as common a problem that it is in giant and other large breeds. Their are no hard number on basset so it is speculation on everyone part on the prevailance.

I am new to bloat is food usually the cause? Also what are some good ways to prevent it? None of my vets have expressed any concerns but I never asked.

Mikey T · 01-13-2012, 11:27 AM

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Wow, that sounds...really expensive!

it is fair routine surgery typically done at the time of surgery the Idea is to prevent the problem in breed with a high incidence the surgery is more tollerate as a puppy than when bloat tyical occurs which is in older dogs.

the cause of bloat are little understood and what were often given as common sense was to avoid minimize actual made thing worse.

things that exacerbate bloat

gentics
age the older the dog the larger the risk
chest width to depth ratio deep narrow chest cavity more likely to bloat. this may be the basis of the genetic link. think Great dane.

Meal size the large in volume in meal the more likely to bloat.

speed which the dog eats faster the dog eats more likely to bloat

dog that owners considered anxious or stressed more likely to bloat

raised food bowl in large breed dogs(per happs tied to speed of eating) giant breed did not expeirence the same increased risk

thing not associated with bloat

kibble vs homade diet.

water consuption

exercise before or after meals'

number of meal how many time the dog was fed did not matter however if feeding more often reduced meal size then there is a reduction based on meal size.

moistening kibble with citric acid [u increased risk of bloat.

many of the other apoosible food related causes are very much under debate because the control used in the study were not very good. many question the entire result ie raised food bowl and most still recommend reducing exercise before and after meals even though the study found no connection.

Content of food and Bloat

Non-dietary risk factors for gastric

dilatation-volvulus in large and giant breed dogs

Quote:

Among the environmental
and management factors, having a raised
feeding bowl and restricting water intake before and
after eating increased the risk of GDV in large breed
and giant breed dogs

(Table 5). In large breed dogs, but
not in giant breed dogs, having a rural residence,
restricting exercise before and after eating, and moistening
dry dog food prior to feeding increased the risk
of GDV, whereas attending dog shows decreased the
risk of GDV. In giant breed dogs, but not in large breed
dogs, having an urban residence increased the risk of

GDV.

Risk Factors for Canine Bloat

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Several popular theories regarding bloat were not substantiated during the study. There was no correlation of bloat risk to exercise before or after eating, as most dogs bloated in the middle of the night with an empty, gas-filled stomach. There was also no correlation to vaccinations, to the brand of dog food consumed, or to the timing or volume of water intake before or after eating. From the research performed to date, we can list several factors that, added together, can characterize the typical dog that develops bloat: a deep and narrow chest; leanness; a relative that has had a bloat episode; eating quickly; a dry-food diet; a single, large daily meal; stress; and a fearful, nervous, or aggressive temperament.

Herzo · 01-13-2012, 12:13 PM

I know of a Great Dane owner she has theirs done when they are spayed. It is even not 100% in my understanding. She is a vet tec I think but has all hers done then. I have never had any of mine done but then I haven't known of it to long.

And yes she say's even a raw food diet they can bloat.

barneysmom2510 · 01-13-2012, 01:12 PM

I always had assumed the main culprit was to large of a meal gulped down. I had never seen any info regarding any diet making a dog less likely to suffer from it . Raw home cooked, kibble I figured it was all the same in regards to bloat. I saw these bowls at petco that had a raised part in the middle to help slow down the eating. I have no idea if that is just a gimmick or not.

01-13-2012, 01:50 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mary1957 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 190	Maezie's Vet Visit. Maezie and Carly went to the vet yesterday. Maezie weighs 14.8 and Carly weighs 14.4. I was sort of shocked because Carly looks bigger. They got their shots and are good for another 3 weeks. When they are 5-6 months old we will have them spayed. The vet said they also do a procedure that prevents bloating...I can't remember what its called...but do know I almost lost a Boxer to that several years ago. This will be done while they are being spayed. Not to much process being made in the "potty trained" department...Like everyone's been saying...one day it will click...hopefully. I get so frustrated at times. It's been raining here the past day or so...all Maezie wants to do is lap at the puddles on the side walk instead of pottying.

01-13-2012, 03:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
jaleely Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 942	Wow, that sounds...really expensive! Why would your vet prescribe a surgery for a puppy, when there is no sign or history of bloat? I admit, a lot of large chested dogs can be prone to it, but it is also found that if you limit activity, and water, after eating....bloat is not likely. Well, if you do decide to do it, are they going to do it laproscopically? Spaying and a gastrointestinal surgery is a lot for a little one to go through. I have been through a duodoenal switch...stomach (removal of 90%) and intestinal rearrangement for weight loss and diabetes prevention, and let me tell you...it was hard. I'm a wuss kind of, but that was the hardest thing i've ever done. Granted, i don't think they're going to have to deal with the stomach issues i did...but still. It's a lot for a little body. Canine Bloat Prevention \| Gastropexy Surgery \| GREATDANELADY.COM How to Prevent Bloat - Dr's Corner - The American Dog Magazine Should my Dog's Stomach be Tacked to Prevent Bloat? __________________ Baby Bowsah's Bwog

01-13-2012, 05:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
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01-13-2012, 07:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
barneysmom2510 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Rockport ma Posts: 633	I agree with what others have said I would really research to see if it is necessary to have this procedure especially on top of a spay. Barney has two vets and this procedure was never mentioned. Do they think they are at a higher risk for some reason or is this something they recommend for all dogs at risk for bloat. I am always thankful that I have a vet to help me care for Barney but sometimes it is good just to double check. Like others have said there are ways to help prevent bloat but I understand that you went through it before and do not want to have a repeat episode. I agree the weather is awful Barney has some serious cabin fever going on and my son is home sick so I can't really go anywhere with him. __________________ -LISA Mini daschunds Sadie Lou & Daisy dukes Chihuahua Lola Bassett Hound Barney

01-13-2012, 01:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
barneysmom2510 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Rockport ma Posts: 633	I always had assumed the main culprit was to large of a meal gulped down. I had never seen any info regarding any diet making a dog less likely to suffer from it . Raw home cooked, kibble I figured it was all the same in regards to bloat. I saw these bowls at petco that had a raised part in the middle to help slow down the eating. I have no idea if that is just a gimmick or not. __________________ -LISA Mini daschunds Sadie Lou & Daisy dukes Chihuahua Lola Bassett Hound Barney

01-13-2012, 03:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pricey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 159	I had never heard of that procedure before but I agree with jayleey I think it's a lot to put a pup through.

01-13-2012, 12:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
Herzo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Wyoming Posts: 667	I know of a Great Dane owner she has theirs done when they are spayed. It is even not 100% in my understanding. She is a vet tec I think but has all hers done then. I have never had any of mine done but then I haven't known of it to long. And yes she say's even a raw food diet they can bloat.

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