getting lilly spayed questions????

LillysFolks · 01-03-2012, 02:14 PM

So we are getting our girl spayed and were told a couple of different things. So naturally i'm turning to here for any advice from anyone who has gone through this. This is our first puppy together and any i had when i was younger i was shielded from this info and he has not had a dog before.

we were told do before her first cycle, then told wait for her to have her first cycle.....what is best? does it make a difference?

Also whenever we do it i was planning on taking a couple days off to stay home with her at first, i think this sounds like the best thing to do. as well as what should i expect when dropping her off at the vet and picking her up, as well as once she's home.

i know at some point she will get mad at us because she will want to go to do the dog park, as she loves it there and its her routine to go in the afternoons, and she won't be able to go.

Any advice and info from experience is greatly appreciated. Thanks everybody!

LillysFolks · 01-03-2012, 02:15 PM

oh and her microchip will be done at the same time. im protecting this girl everyway i can.

LuciaB · 01-03-2012, 03:00 PM

We adopted Cannoli when she was about 6 months old and she went in to heat before we could get her to the vet. Everything went well with her though, the day I picked her up she was a bit groggy and sedate but by the next day it was like nothing had happened. I compare that to my Chihuahua who was pathetic and shivering for days after she was spayed.

The only problem we had was that 'Nolli was allergic to the sutures they used and we had to take her back in for some treatment due to that. You wouldn't know it by the way she acted, but we could see that the site of the incision was irritated and didn't look right. She was as bassety as ever, nothing stops that dog.

MollyMcFrecklesMom · 01-03-2012, 03:03 PM

It's a pretty routine surgery. She'll be groggy the first day, but will be her old self before you know it. The challenge is to keep her calm (ha!) and away from her stitches. Both mine were great and I never needed the cone of shame. I never relegated them to the crate either. I was lucky

Molly developed a UTI a couple days after her surgery was done. It happens sometimes, but is easy to treat. Watch for that. Watch that her stitches aren't red, warm and inflamed. As the incision heals, it can be itchy and that makes it hard to keep them away from chewing and licking, but you have to.

Does your vet offer laser surgery. Mine does and both Molly and Winston had that when they were fixed. It means less pain, less time under anesthesia, quicker recovery, and less chance of infection. If you have that option and can afford it, I highly recommend it.

All in all, I am a proponent of letting nature do what it's supposed to do. My dogs were always pretty good at self-limiting their activity. They rarely did more than they felt they could do. Growly Winston even let me help him up on the couch when he had stitches. Again, I was probably lucky.

I've had 2 female dogs in my adult life and both were spayed before their first heat. My vet recommended it. I guess different vets have different opinions. See what the rest of the basset community says there.

LillysFolks · 01-03-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MollyMcFrecklesMom

I've had 2 female dogs in my adult life and both were spayed before their first heat. My vet recommended it. I guess different vets have different opinions. See what the rest of the basset community says there.

They recommended that as well.

Mikey T · 01-03-2012, 04:37 PM

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we were told do before her first cycle, then told wait for her to have her first cycle.....what is best? does it make a difference?

IMO doing after the fist cycle makes little sense either spay before the first cycle or wait until the dog is fully mature. Doing it when some growth plates are open and some closed may lead to orthopeadic problems that normal would not occur because the removal of sex hormones delays growth plate closure with some closed and some open delayed closure can lead to joint inconguities at least theoretically

Spay before the first cycle amoust eliminates breast tumors in females of which 50% are malignate, the longer the dog remains unspayed increases risk. breast tumors are fairly common in countries that do not routinely spay females.

There are a host of other issue involved as well see Spay / Neuter Questiion - When is the best age

cover ahealth and other issue it is not a black and white issue and one worth discussing with your vet.

LillysFolks · 01-03-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey T

cover ahealth and other issue it is not a black and white issue and one worth discussing with your vet.

well at a visit to the vet when we asked about getting this done, he stated before her first cycle, on our next and last visit, as it was her last round of shots, we were told by another vet, who we would keep scheduling to see but she was always busy and was actually the fiance of the other gentleman we would end up seeing, said best to wait till after her first cycle.

strange to see a different opinion in a couple of vets engaged to each other and in the same office, i would have thought that there would be an office position for things in this nature, i guess not. as for the office itself it is a very great vet hospital and wouldnt take lilly anywhere else.

the reason we were given was because of the saggy skin that bassets have and it causing in issue with her area?

however i turned here just to see what others have had done and experiences they have had, i think we are going to schedule for next week where it would be best timing to have time off work. since lilly's dad wants it done sooner rather than risking waiting a couple of weeks and her cycle starting.

Mikey T · 01-03-2012, 07:08 PM

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the reason we were given was because of the saggy skin that bassets have and it causing in issue with her area?

spaying before puberty will increase risk in that area but it is not basset specific

Long-Term Health Risks and Benefits Associated with Spay / Neuter in Dogs

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For female dogs, the situation is more complex. The number of health benefits associated with spaying may exceed the associated health problems in some (not all) cases. On balance, whether spaying improves the odds of overall good health or degrades them probably depends on the age of the female dog and the relative risk of various diseases in the different breeds

On the positive side, spaying female dogs[/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT]

if done before 2.5 years of age, greatly reduces the risk of mammary tumors, the most common malignant tumors in female dog

nearly eliminates the risk of pyometra, which otherwise would affect about 23% of intact female dogs; pyometra kills about 1% of intact female dogs

reduces the risk of perianal fistulas

removes the very small risk (0.5%) from uterine, cervical, and ovarian tumors

On the negative side, spaying female dogs

if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a common cancer in larger breeds with a poor prognosis

increases the risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 2.2 and cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of >5; this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds

triples the risk of hypothyroidism

increases the risk of obesity by a factor of 1.6-2, a common health problem in dogs with many associated health problems

causes urinary “spay incontinence” in 4-20% of female dogs

increases the risk of persistent or recurring urinary tract infections by a factor of 3-4

increases the risk of recessed vulva, vaginal dermatitis, and vaginitis, especially for female dogs spayed before puberty

doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract tumors

increases the risk of orthopedic disorders

increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations

Red added by me for clarity

For me that sort of risk is very minor it is not general life threatening or shortening but it can have a small effect on qualitiy of life but compared to some of the other factor pretty minor.

Because of my performance bend I am biased toward orthopeadic effects and giving them more wight Which is why I would avoid spaying between the firs and second heat cycles anjd wait to the dog is fully mature ie stops growing.

for more on the orthopeadic issues involved see Early Spay-Neuter Considerations for the Canine Athlete

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A study by Salmeri et al in 1991 found that bitches spayed at 7 weeks grew significantly taller than those spayed at 7 months, who were taller than those not spayed (or presumably spayed after the growth plates had closed).(1) A study of 1444 Golden Retrievers performed in 1998 and 1999 also found bitches and dogs spayed and neutered at less than a year of age were significantly taller than those spayed or neutered at more than a year of age.(2) The sex hormones, by communicating with a number of other growth-related hormones, promote the closure of the growth plates at puberty (3), so the bones of dogs or bitches neutered or spayed before puberty continue to grow. Dogs that have been spayed or neutered well before puberty can frequently be identified by their longer limbs, lighter bone structure, narrow chests and narrow skulls. This abnormal growth frequently results in significant alterations in body proportions and particularly the lengths (and therefore weights) of certain bones relative to others. For example, if the femur has achieved its genetically determined normal length at 8 months when a dog gets spayed or neutered, but the tibia, which normally stops growing at 12 to 14 months of age continues to grow, then an abnormal angle may develop at the stifle. In addition, with the extra growth, the lower leg below the stifle likely becomes heavier (because it is longer), and may cause increased stresses on the cranial cruciate ligament. In addition, sex hormones are critical for achieving peak bone density.(4) These structural and physiological alterations may be the reason why at least one recent study showed that spayed and neutered dogs had a higher incidence of CCL rupture.(5) Another recent study showed that dogs spayed or neutered before 5 1/2 months had a significantly higher incidence of hip dysplasia than those spayed or neutered after 5 1/2 months of age, although it should be noted that in this study there were no standard criteria for the diagnosis of hip dysplasia.(6) Nonetheless, breeders of purebred dogs should be cognizant of these studies and should consider whether or not pups they bred were spayed or neutered when considering breeding decisions.

... have gathered these studies to show that our practice of routinely spaying or neutering every dog at or before the age of 6 months is not a black-and-white issue. Clearly more studies need to be done to evaluate the effects of prepubertal spaying and neutering, particularly in canine athletes.

Currently, I have significant concerns with spaying or neutering canine athletes before puberty. But of course, there is the pet overpopulation problem. How can we prevent the production of unwanted dogs while still leaving the gonads to produce the hormones that are so important to canine growth and development? One answer would be to perform vasectomies in males and tubal ligation in females, to be followed after maturity

...I believe it is important that we assess each situation individually. For canine athletes, I currently recommend that dogs and bitches be spayed or neutered after 14 months of age.

green added by me for clarity

Note the recommendation is specific to dogs that are going to be involved in athletic endeaves which is skews the risk assesment for those that are not. There is certainly no concensus of the ideal age and not likely to be one because of breed predilection to certain diseases and problems for example bone cancer is rare in toy and small dogs but increases as the dog get larger . So the increased risk of one type of bone cancer really is not a factor for a toy dog but a big factor for say a great dane. same cane be said for some of the orthpoeadic issue might not be a big facot for most dogs become big ones for one that is going to be an athlete. there is not a one size fit all answer and there are life syle and other consideration that may trump.

Like requirement to board or day care or some these will trump any health issue but iff you don't board or have the dog attend daycare the s spay requirement is not an issue.

LillysFolks · 01-03-2012, 07:24 PM

[QUOTE=MollyMcFrecklesMom;127692] The challenge is to keep her calm (ha!) and away from her stitches. QUOTE]

I'm sure keeping lilly calm will be the issue, she is a wild little girl. like i said the afternoons when she normally goes to the park is when i know she will get restless. she's going to miss trying to keep up with all the fast sporting dogs out there. i'm sure the cone will be a necessary tool with this girl.

barneysmom2510 · 01-03-2012, 07:58 PM

I had my two females spayed at 6 months the only issue was sadie was allergic to the stitches inside the incision so they had to remove them. I don't remember them being an issue with running around after the surgery they just would obviously try to lick eachother.

01-03-2012, 02:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
LillysFolks Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 40	getting lilly spayed questions???? So we are getting our girl spayed and were told a couple of different things. So naturally i'm turning to here for any advice from anyone who has gone through this. This is our first puppy together and any i had when i was younger i was shielded from this info and he has not had a dog before. we were told do before her first cycle, then told wait for her to have her first cycle.....what is best? does it make a difference? Also whenever we do it i was planning on taking a couple days off to stay home with her at first, i think this sounds like the best thing to do. as well as what should i expect when dropping her off at the vet and picking her up, as well as once she's home. i know at some point she will get mad at us because she will want to go to do the dog park, as she loves it there and its her routine to go in the afternoons, and she won't be able to go. Any advice and info from experience is greatly appreciated. Thanks everybody!

01-03-2012, 03:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
LuciaB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 559	We adopted Cannoli when she was about 6 months old and she went in to heat before we could get her to the vet. Everything went well with her though, the day I picked her up she was a bit groggy and sedate but by the next day it was like nothing had happened. I compare that to my Chihuahua who was pathetic and shivering for days after she was spayed. The only problem we had was that 'Nolli was allergic to the sutures they used and we had to take her back in for some treatment due to that. You wouldn't know it by the way she acted, but we could see that the site of the incision was irritated and didn't look right. She was as bassety as ever, nothing stops that dog. __________________ ~Lucia~

01-03-2012, 03:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
MollyMcFrecklesMom Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Southeast PA Posts: 1,182	It's a pretty routine surgery. She'll be groggy the first day, but will be her old self before you know it. The challenge is to keep her calm (ha!) and away from her stitches. Both mine were great and I never needed the cone of shame. I never relegated them to the crate either. I was lucky Molly developed a UTI a couple days after her surgery was done. It happens sometimes, but is easy to treat. Watch for that. Watch that her stitches aren't red, warm and inflamed. As the incision heals, it can be itchy and that makes it hard to keep them away from chewing and licking, but you have to. Does your vet offer laser surgery. Mine does and both Molly and Winston had that when they were fixed. It means less pain, less time under anesthesia, quicker recovery, and less chance of infection. If you have that option and can afford it, I highly recommend it. All in all, I am a proponent of letting nature do what it's supposed to do. My dogs were always pretty good at self-limiting their activity. They rarely did more than they felt they could do. Growly Winston even let me help him up on the couch when he had stitches. Again, I was probably lucky. I've had 2 female dogs in my adult life and both were spayed before their first heat. My vet recommended it. I guess different vets have different opinions. See what the rest of the basset community says there. __________________ Michelle - proudly owned by Molly (21 mos) and Winston (14 months). Molly McFreckles' World: The adventures of a Basset Hound living with Addison's Disease and a baby brother named Winston

01-03-2012, 07:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
barneysmom2510 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Rockport ma Posts: 633	I had my two females spayed at 6 months the only issue was sadie was allergic to the stitches inside the incision so they had to remove them. I don't remember them being an issue with running around after the surgery they just would obviously try to lick eachother. __________________ -LISA Mini daschunds Sadie Lou & Daisy dukes Chihuahua Lola Bassett Hound Barney

01-03-2012, 02:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
LillysFolks Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 40	oh and her microchip will be done at the same time. im protecting this girl everyway i can.

01-03-2012, 07:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
LillysFolks Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 40	[QUOTE=MollyMcFrecklesMom;127692] The challenge is to keep her calm (ha!) and away from her stitches. QUOTE] I'm sure keeping lilly calm will be the issue, she is a wild little girl. like i said the afternoons when she normally goes to the park is when i know she will get restless. she's going to miss trying to keep up with all the fast sporting dogs out there. i'm sure the cone will be a necessary tool with this girl.

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