Allergic Reaction

bethrn · 10-12-2011, 04:14 PM

We had a little scare yesterday evening with Daisy. She had her appointment for spaying yesterday at the vet. As we were checking in, the tech asked about a couple vaccines that she had not received. One of them was for Lyme Disease. Daisy loves to camping with us and in fact pretty much goes wherever and whenever we do. So thinking it was the best thing to do, I said to immunize her while she was there. (As long as it was ok with her having the surgery and all.) She breezed thru anesthesia and the surgery and we were told to pick her up that evening. When we picked her up, I noticed that her muzzle was puffy but thought maybe just related to her anesthetic and having had surgery. She walked easily out to our SUV, got in with some help, and promptly vomited everywhere! I took her back into the office, and within 5 minutes, her poor little head was swelled so much she could barely open her eyes. Her feet,too, were swelling - if you can imagine her lovely basset feet becoming even larger! Long story short, they medicated her with some steroids and something for the nausea. We brought her home and she slept it off. I will never again immunize for something without knowing more about what she is receiving. She is perfectly fine today. But definitely a scare for us. Has anyone else had any experience with this vaccine? Needless to say, I won't be getting the second round of vaccine next month.

Lightning&Stomps · 10-12-2011, 04:30 PM

That happened to Lightning once. It was terrifying. Luckily at the time I lived very near my vet, so I got him back there within minutes. From what I understand, it's not necessarily a reaction to the vaccine itself but to the delivery agent. It hasn't happened to Lightning since. But I also only vaccinate him when I absolutely have to.

Mikey T · 10-12-2011, 04:51 PM

Vaccines work well and long term for virrus not so well and long term with bacteria which is what lime. There are many reports of lime lime sypmtoms from the vaccine,. IMHO your best bet is to use a tick preventive befor venturing out. Keeing ion mind topical tick and flea preventivies can work up to two month on fleas but tick 4 weeks top for frontline and in reality 3 week is more accurate andvantix is worse on tick 2 weeks tops before reapplying. Tich and feel collars are useless and highly toxic sprays are ok for short time use as well.

Soundtrack · 10-12-2011, 05:31 PM

Never give vaccines in conjunction with other stressful events (such as surgery). I really wish vets would stop doing that.

bubbad · 10-12-2011, 07:03 PM

I was reading in the AKC Gazett not long ago a Bullmastiff had major problems with a lyme vacc.I'll take my chances wth the ticks.

bethrn · 10-12-2011, 08:10 PM

We use Frontline Plus. Had I been using my head, I would've thought this through and said "no" to the vaccine. Just thankful she recovered so well.

Mikey T · 10-12-2011, 08:32 PM

for what it worth frontline , avanteix etc rarely kill ticks immeadiately and the often still bit the dog when using them but not to get into long technical discusion it takes in the nieghborhood of 48 hrs of attachment before a tick actual transmit a tick born disease lime , spotted fever etc. so tick preventives are effective in control the transmission of tick borne diseases

Lyme Disease

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Borrelia burgdorferi is transmitted to a host via tick saliva after a lag phase of approximately 24 to 48 hours. In mammals, the bacteria takes up residence in the layer of cells that line the inside of blood vessels and may lie dormant in connective tissue. It is difficult to detect the bacteria in blood or in tissue and the bacteria can evade both the host's immune response and antibiotic therapy. It takes three to six weeks for the production of antibodies which indicate that an animal has been infected by the organism. This is important because the best way to test for infection is to test for antibodies.

not this article state that the only proven menthod of preventing liyme is with the preventic collar and the spot on treatments are not tested ant because of the delayed killing time a transmission could occur. This might have been true at the time the article was written but there are studies on spot on treatemnts proving effectiveness against the transmission of lyme disease.

The Ability of Fipronil To Prevent Transmission of Borrelia burgdorferi, the Causative Agent of Lyme DiseaseTo Dogs

fipronil=frontline.

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Results: I. scapularis infestation and B. burgdorferi transmission was successful in all control dogs. Fipronil spray prevented all dogs from becoming infected with B. burgdorferi and was 100% and 99.6% effective against tick infestation 48 hours after challenge in dogs treated 7 or 28 days before challenge. When challenge occurred 7 days after treatment, fipronil/(S)-methoprene spot on was 100% effective against the tick infestation 48 hours after challenge and prevented infection with B. burgdorferi in all dogs. When the challenge was conducted 28 days after treatment, fipronil/(S)-methoprene spot on prevented all but 2 dogs from becoming infected with B. burgdorferi and was 97.6% effective against tick infestation 48 hours after challenge.

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10-12-2011, 04:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
bethrn Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 138	Allergic Reaction We had a little scare yesterday evening with Daisy. She had her appointment for spaying yesterday at the vet. As we were checking in, the tech asked about a couple vaccines that she had not received. One of them was for Lyme Disease. Daisy loves to camping with us and in fact pretty much goes wherever and whenever we do. So thinking it was the best thing to do, I said to immunize her while she was there. (As long as it was ok with her having the surgery and all.) She breezed thru anesthesia and the surgery and we were told to pick her up that evening. When we picked her up, I noticed that her muzzle was puffy but thought maybe just related to her anesthetic and having had surgery. She walked easily out to our SUV, got in with some help, and promptly vomited everywhere! I took her back into the office, and within 5 minutes, her poor little head was swelled so much she could barely open her eyes. Her feet,too, were swelling - if you can imagine her lovely basset feet becoming even larger! Long story short, they medicated her with some steroids and something for the nausea. We brought her home and she slept it off. I will never again immunize for something without knowing more about what she is receiving. She is perfectly fine today. But definitely a scare for us. Has anyone else had any experience with this vaccine? Needless to say, I won't be getting the second round of vaccine next month.

10-12-2011, 05:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
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10-12-2011, 04:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lightning&Stomps Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Versailles, Ky. Posts: 1,203	That happened to Lightning once. It was terrifying. Luckily at the time I lived very near my vet, so I got him back there within minutes. From what I understand, it's not necessarily a reaction to the vaccine itself but to the delivery agent. It hasn't happened to Lightning since. But I also only vaccinate him when I absolutely have to.

10-12-2011, 04:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mikey T Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: West Warrwick, RI Posts: 7,729	Vaccines work well and long term for virrus not so well and long term with bacteria which is what lime. There are many reports of lime lime sypmtoms from the vaccine,. IMHO your best bet is to use a tick preventive befor venturing out. Keeing ion mind topical tick and flea preventivies can work up to two month on fleas but tick 4 weeks top for frontline and in reality 3 week is more accurate andvantix is worse on tick 2 weeks tops before reapplying. Tich and feel collars are useless and highly toxic sprays are ok for short time use as well.

10-12-2011, 07:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
bubbad Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Boiling Springs,Pa Posts: 1,347	I was reading in the AKC Gazett not long ago a Bullmastiff had major problems with a lyme vacc.I'll take my chances wth the ticks.

10-12-2011, 08:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
bethrn Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 138	We use Frontline Plus. Had I been using my head, I would've thought this through and said "no" to the vaccine. Just thankful she recovered so well.

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