New Member! Questions and whatnots!

candycornsnake · 10-12-2010, 07:16 PM

Hi.
I am looking at getting my first basset puppy in the next few months or so. I just lost my whippet of 14 years and am looking to slow down with the next hound. I have always been enamored with the breed and have been reading up on them for quite a while.
My partner and I currently own a chi and a golden. We do like variety! We also own a very nice reptile collection and use them in our free educational events and as personal pets. They are truly living art. Beautiful...but without the love and kisses that our pups give.
So I am ready for my long eared love!
I do however have a few questions.
I have been in contact with multible breeders from NJ to NC and have run into the same problem. Not one has been testing their adults for Von W. and other genetic problems. I have watched my parents buy dobies for years and I know that in dobies its a pretty big problem and quality puppies have parents that are tested. At the very least grandparents are.
I am stumped by the lack of testing. Is it just unnessisary? Is it so rare in bassets that it is not checked for regularly? It is listed as one of their health issues so I set it up as a priority...only to have gotten over a dozen replies saying they did not test. In fact not a single breeder has said that they do.
My other question is where do I find a reliable list of breeders since the basset club of america's site is down? Anyone throw me a bone somewhere in the midatlantic?
Anyway thanks so much! Here are a couple of pictures of my current babies just for fun!

bubbad · 10-12-2010, 07:31 PM

Not sure who these "breeders" are but they should be testing for such things as well as another bleeding disorder and the eyes at the very least. What do they say when you ask them about the testing? The BHCA website is up so try there again.

candycornsnake · 10-12-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbad

Not sure who these "breeders" are but they should be testing for such things as well as another bleeding disorder and the eyes at the very least. What do they say when you ask them about the testing? The BHCA website is up so try there again.

They are saying that their dogs are "healthy" and the puppies get "vet checked" before they can come home. I have heard "The parents have not shown signs of it." or "None of my past puppies ever came back sick." Most seem vaguely insulting that I even asked.

I will try the website again thanks! I would have thought lack of testing was just backyard cheap breeders..but some of those were showing and they ranged from the stupidly cheap $350 (who listed her dogs as "rescued" in her email...yikes) to well over a grand and have gotten the same answers. So I was beginning to think I was overly paranoid.

sadeyes2 · 10-13-2010, 11:59 AM

So glad that you are going the way of the BHCA to get your basset. It 's a ' pig in a poke' otherwise.

candycornsnake · 10-13-2010, 10:51 PM

Well so far the BHCA is a bust. All of the "breeders" they have listed have been either just members and not breeders at all...or are retired and long since have not had pups. I emailed a dozen people in my state last night and did not get a single real breeder. It's very very frustrating.
Are there any OTHER sources?
AKC, ACA BASSET HOUND PUPPIES *huggablebassets* Billy Linebeger Is one breeder I found who seems to do genetic testing. Anyone know anything about them? Are they reliable?

Mikey T · 10-14-2010, 12:50 AM

First off Von W is not the problem in bassest it is in doberman. estimates are 80% OR HIGHER of all dobies are at least carriers. Secondly as of currently there is not a Genetic i.e. DNA test for Basset as there is for dobies and a number of other breeds for Von W. So if a breeder says they are doing a genetic test for Von W on basset they are full of B.S. The best there is a Von W factor blood test that will register high, middle or low range. The problem is while the test is good diagnostical, it is natorious poor genetically. Carrier routinely test as clean or affected and vice versa. While testing is good one also need to know the limits of testing as well. Having a broad knowlege of the line or lines bred and the history or lack of history of bleeding disorders is often more telling than any single test however it often requires a hell of a lot more work.

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FWIW anyone associated with the ACA is likely not worth the time investigating as a breeder.

candycornsnake · 10-14-2010, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey T

FWIW anyone associated with the ACA is likely not worth the time investigating as a breeder.

Can you clarify as to why you belive this?

Soundtrack · 10-14-2010, 12:29 PM

ACA is one of the sham "registries" set up to provide BYBs and puppymillers with "papers" for their puppies. Their standards for registration are very lax, and no good breeder would be associated with them (or C(ontinental)KC, or APRI - both of whose "papers" ACA accepts).

As for the link provided, that site is so full of "red flags" it's not funny. Just reading their "guarantee" made me want to laugh and cry at the same time.

Here's an exercise - check out these articles:

http://blacksheepcardigans.com/ruff/dog-health/health-testing/how-much-does-a-puppy-cost-purchase-price-adoption-fees-discounts-expensive-puppies-cheap-puppies-and-a-bunch-of-other-words/

http://blacksheepcardigans.com/ruff/general/how-to-tell-a-good-breeder-website-from-a-bad-one/

http://blacksheepcardigans.com/ruff/general/the-myth-and-often-outright-deception-of-champion-lines/

http://blacksheepcardigans.com/ruff/family/puppies/were-responsible-breeders/

Then compare that breeder's site to these sites:

http://www.topsfieldbassets.com/topsfield%20and%20info%20sectionsa.htm

http://www.rebecbassets.com/

Can you see the difference? Can you spot the red flags in the "huggable" site?

Mikey T · 10-14-2010, 05:37 PM

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Are there any OTHER sources?

Check with the local breed clubs affiliated with the AKC/BHCA they usually have a person in charge of breeder referrals.

for BHCA Breeder referrals

Potomac Basset Hound Club

Valley Forge Basset Hound Club

Simply plug in the names of the Local Basset hound Clubs from the BHCA website into the search on the AKC site and you will get similar results for all the clubs.

Keep in mind a large number of reputable/show breeder do not feel the need to market themselves through the web. You will have to make the dreaded phone call. Also they are not likely to have a litter available but may be planning on one etc/ Most show breeders do not breed unless they have prospective homes for most if not all of a litter ahead of time.

candycornsnake · 10-14-2010, 05:46 PM

Well yes I see that those sites don't actually list pups for sale or even what is being bred. They also don't give a clue about price.
I personaly don't want to waste my time when a breeder is going to be asking 2500 bucks for a puppy (or more) and I can't possibly afford that.
I think that sometimes websites like those are pretty snobby actually.
I don't need a dog to be show quality. I don't care if they aren't.
I do care that the adults are tested for genetic problems...but the fact that they are out to sell pups and not out to show and primp for show ribbons is not a problem to me.
A healthy puppy is a healthy puppy. *shrugs*
A "good breeder" doesn't have to be showing...doesn't have to be not advertiseing...and doesn't have to be top caliber just to produce a great HEALTHY puppy for my own home. I see no reason for it.
Those are some of the problems that have caused issues in certain breeds in my opinon.
German shepards bred by "good breeders" are so baddly formed they have huge back/hip/whatnot problems. Were those traits caused by so called "bad backyard breeders" who were not showing but just picking good looking happy puppies? No...they were caused in great part by show people who cared more about the ring than the long term effects.

I think on this issue we will have to agree to dissagree.

10-12-2010, 07:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
candycornsnake Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Baltimore Maryland Posts: 10	New Member! Questions and whatnots! Hi. I am looking at getting my first basset puppy in the next few months or so. I just lost my whippet of 14 years and am looking to slow down with the next hound. I have always been enamored with the breed and have been reading up on them for quite a while. My partner and I currently own a chi and a golden. We do like variety! We also own a very nice reptile collection and use them in our free educational events and as personal pets. They are truly living art. Beautiful...but without the love and kisses that our pups give. So I am ready for my long eared love! I do however have a few questions. I have been in contact with multible breeders from NJ to NC and have run into the same problem. Not one has been testing their adults for Von W. and other genetic problems. I have watched my parents buy dobies for years and I know that in dobies its a pretty big problem and quality puppies have parents that are tested. At the very least grandparents are. I am stumped by the lack of testing. Is it just unnessisary? Is it so rare in bassets that it is not checked for regularly? It is listed as one of their health issues so I set it up as a priority...only to have gotten over a dozen replies saying they did not test. In fact not a single breeder has said that they do. My other question is where do I find a reliable list of breeders since the basset club of america's site is down? Anyone throw me a bone somewhere in the midatlantic? Anyway thanks so much! Here are a couple of pictures of my current babies just for fun! Attached Thumbnails

10-13-2010, 10:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
candycornsnake Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Baltimore Maryland Posts: 10	Well so far the BHCA is a bust. All of the "breeders" they have listed have been either just members and not breeders at all...or are retired and long since have not had pups. I emailed a dozen people in my state last night and did not get a single real breeder. It's very very frustrating. Are there any OTHER sources? AKC, ACA BASSET HOUND PUPPIES huggablebassets Billy Linebeger Is one breeder I found who seems to do genetic testing. Anyone know anything about them? Are they reliable? Last edited by candycornsnake; 10-13-2010 at 11:29 PM.

10-14-2010, 12:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Soundtrack Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,581	ACA is one of the sham "registries" set up to provide BYBs and puppymillers with "papers" for their puppies. Their standards for registration are very lax, and no good breeder would be associated with them (or C(ontinental)KC, or APRI - both of whose "papers" ACA accepts). As for the link provided, that site is so full of "red flags" it's not funny. Just reading their "guarantee" made me want to laugh and cry at the same time. Here's an exercise - check out these articles: http://blacksheepcardigans.com/ruff/dog-health/health-testing/how-much-does-a-puppy-cost-purchase-price-adoption-fees-discounts-expensive-puppies-cheap-puppies-and-a-bunch-of-other-words/ http://blacksheepcardigans.com/ruff/general/how-to-tell-a-good-breeder-website-from-a-bad-one/ http://blacksheepcardigans.com/ruff/general/the-myth-and-often-outright-deception-of-champion-lines/ http://blacksheepcardigans.com/ruff/family/puppies/were-responsible-breeders/ Then compare that breeder's site to these sites: http://www.topsfieldbassets.com/topsfield%20and%20info%20sectionsa.htm http://www.rebecbassets.com/ Can you see the difference? Can you spot the red flags in the "huggable" site? __________________ Rosie-Ch Soundtrack Cracklin' Rose CGN AGN RA Am RN TT Melody-Ch Soundtrack Unchained Melody TT Sailor-Ch Soundtrack Expedition Sailor RN TT Chili-Ch Soundtrack Spice Up Your Life Curry-Ch Soundtrack Canadian Brass Pepper-Ch Pennieslogon Living La Vida Loca CGN Vina-Ch Soundtrack Grand Illusion Leila-Ch Soundtrack Almost Paradise Deela-Ch Soundtrack Wink Of An Eye Hermione - Soundtrack Spellbound Eowyn - Soundtrack Rain Dance Last edited by Soundtrack; 10-14-2010 at 12:48 PM.

10-12-2010, 07:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
bubbad Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Boiling Springs,Pa Posts: 1,347	Not sure who these "breeders" are but they should be testing for such things as well as another bleeding disorder and the eyes at the very least. What do they say when you ask them about the testing? The BHCA website is up so try there again.

10-13-2010, 11:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
sadeyes2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: glasgow Posts: 589	So glad that you are going the way of the BHCA to get your basset. It 's a ' pig in a poke' otherwise.

10-14-2010, 05:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
candycornsnake Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Baltimore Maryland Posts: 10	Well yes I see that those sites don't actually list pups for sale or even what is being bred. They also don't give a clue about price. I personaly don't want to waste my time when a breeder is going to be asking 2500 bucks for a puppy (or more) and I can't possibly afford that. I think that sometimes websites like those are pretty snobby actually. I don't need a dog to be show quality. I don't care if they aren't. I do care that the adults are tested for genetic problems...but the fact that they are out to sell pups and not out to show and primp for show ribbons is not a problem to me. A healthy puppy is a healthy puppy. shrugs A "good breeder" doesn't have to be showing...doesn't have to be not advertiseing...and doesn't have to be top caliber just to produce a great HEALTHY puppy for my own home. I see no reason for it. Those are some of the problems that have caused issues in certain breeds in my opinon. German shepards bred by "good breeders" are so baddly formed they have huge back/hip/whatnot problems. Were those traits caused by so called "bad backyard breeders" who were not showing but just picking good looking happy puppies? No...they were caused in great part by show people who cared more about the ring than the long term effects. I think on this issue we will have to agree to dissagree.

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