Two types of bassets?

CharlieSue · 08-04-2010, 11:45 AM

In my other posts about a puppy reaching its adult weight, a lot of you mentioned how your dogs filled out for a few years. When we had my basset growing up, she was pretty much the same weight since we got her which was about 1.5 years. Which makes me question.. are there possible two types of bassets? I love ALL bassets, don't get me wrong. But, do you notice how basset puppies look similar to how they will look when they are older? Meaning that the bassets that will have a lot more skin, longer ears, sadder eyes, broader chests look a lot more like that when they are a puppy. But bassets that have a tad shorter ears and not as much rolls and such tend to look more beagleish when they are puppies grow up to just have a little "tighter" look about them.

If you go through the photo gallery, you can definitely just notice the difference. I think both are very very cute, but it is just an observation I have made.

Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts about this!

Mikey T · 08-04-2010, 04:31 PM

Not two types rather some are closer to idea conformation than others. And yes this is noticable to some extent early in puppy development.

Welshtyke · 08-04-2010, 06:11 PM

We have two bassets one has the more rounder basset looks the other has sharper (tighter) features as you suggest.

Mikey please could you explain a bit further the "idea conformation" since this answer some questions for me why Belle our Basset as tighter features.

bubbad · 08-04-2010, 08:16 PM

Good breeders will try to breed their dogs to the given standard for conformation. AKC, the registering body for dogs in the US,(one,of the registering bodies)has a standard submitted by breed clubs for each breed of dog. For instance, for basset ears the standard says something like ," The bassets ears ,in repose,should look like they are coming off the neck(this is not verbatim). In other words a correct basset ear set, if you are looking at the puppy head on, the ears should not be equal with the eyes but set lower than the eyes as if on the neck. The standard covers every part of the Basset from the head to the tail in a description of what the ideal basset should look like,what colors are allowed and length of haircoat. Even what disqualifications(for the show ring)could allow a Judge to send a dog from the ring. There is no perfect conformationin in any breed but a good breeder tries to get as close as they can by genitics /pedigrees.

smitte21 · 08-05-2010, 12:04 AM

Exactly... a good breeder strives to produce a dog as close to the breed standard as possible so therefore that is the difference in "types" of bassets. One from a good breeder is going to look like a basset that fits the standard versus one from another sort of breeder who breeds bassets that look more like beagles.

Here is a link to the AKC standard.
American Kennel Club - Basset Hound

Josie's Dad · 08-05-2010, 09:16 AM

My girl Josie I guess is the tighter one. She's not all saggy.

Mikey T · 08-05-2010, 07:32 PM

Quote:

One from a good breeder is going to look like a basset that fits the standard versus one from another sort of breeder who breeds bassets that look more like beagles.

When looking a 2 dogs this is a streach, the whole output of breeding program is another story. Even with the best breedings some genetic throwbacks and mismaches etc show up and produce a flyer that looks nothing like its ancestry just as too poor specimens can produce an outstanding one on rare occassion. It is ill advised to comment on a breeding program by the ascesssing a random single dog.

gsally · 08-05-2010, 10:36 PM

Silly me, I prefer the smaller "tighter" looking basset. Since I've gotten into the field trial type of event, I've seen more of the sleek hunters and I love the look. Would the breeders who are into the hunting aspect make their selections based on hunting/field trial heritage rather than basset "look" conformation? If so, according to some opinions on this forum that would disqualify that breeder from the "good" and "responsible" category because they are not breeding for conformation but rather to create good hunting stock.

By the way, although I prefer a sleek & petite hunter, I love the show look as well, they are all beautiful and when I see them on the TV Show Dog events, I just don't understand why they don't win best in show every time..........just saying cause I've got basset fever!

CharlieSue · 08-05-2010, 11:21 PM

[QUOTE It is ill advised to comment on a breeding program by the ascesssing a random single dog.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean by that? I just brought it up because it was an observation is all. I don't even know basset standards because I don't show them. I was just curious as to the differences.

smitte21 · 08-06-2010, 01:44 AM

Yes you are right to judge a breeding program by one dog is silly and I mis-spoke. And yes I know of some breeders who do breed for more leg and a bit less weight of bone so as to make them better hunters but yet I also know of some who breed for the heavy bone and skin of the show ring and still do tracking and other events with their dogs as well. They can both do the job it's just a matter of every breeder's idea of what they consider their ideal basset and that is what they strive to breed.

08-04-2010, 11:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
CharlieSue Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 78	Two types of bassets? In my other posts about a puppy reaching its adult weight, a lot of you mentioned how your dogs filled out for a few years. When we had my basset growing up, she was pretty much the same weight since we got her which was about 1.5 years. Which makes me question.. are there possible two types of bassets? I love ALL bassets, don't get me wrong. But, do you notice how basset puppies look similar to how they will look when they are older? Meaning that the bassets that will have a lot more skin, longer ears, sadder eyes, broader chests look a lot more like that when they are a puppy. But bassets that have a tad shorter ears and not as much rolls and such tend to look more beagleish when they are puppies grow up to just have a little "tighter" look about them. If you go through the photo gallery, you can definitely just notice the difference. I think both are very very cute, but it is just an observation I have made. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts about this!

08-05-2010, 12:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
smitte21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: WI Posts: 295	Exactly... a good breeder strives to produce a dog as close to the breed standard as possible so therefore that is the difference in "types" of bassets. One from a good breeder is going to look like a basset that fits the standard versus one from another sort of breeder who breeds bassets that look more like beagles. Here is a link to the AKC standard. American Kennel Club - Basset Hound __________________ Proud owner handler of AKC/UKC Ch. Olde Fashion Agent 99, CGC, TDInc. and Beauregard Smith, CGC www.savybassets.net

08-05-2010, 09:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
Josie's Dad Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 47	My girl Josie I guess is the tighter one. She's not all saggy. __________________ When Josie comes home...it's so good!

08-06-2010, 01:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
smitte21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: WI Posts: 295	Yes you are right to judge a breeding program by one dog is silly and I mis-spoke. And yes I know of some breeders who do breed for more leg and a bit less weight of bone so as to make them better hunters but yet I also know of some who breed for the heavy bone and skin of the show ring and still do tracking and other events with their dogs as well. They can both do the job it's just a matter of every breeder's idea of what they consider their ideal basset and that is what they strive to breed. __________________ Proud owner handler of AKC/UKC Ch. Olde Fashion Agent 99, CGC, TDInc. and Beauregard Smith, CGC www.savybassets.net

08-04-2010, 04:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mikey T Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: West Warrwick, RI Posts: 7,728	Not two types rather some are closer to idea conformation than others. And yes this is noticable to some extent early in puppy development.

08-04-2010, 06:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Welshtyke Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Monmouthshire, UK Posts: 62	We have two bassets one has the more rounder basset looks the other has sharper (tighter) features as you suggest. Mikey please could you explain a bit further the "idea conformation" since this answer some questions for me why Belle our Basset as tighter features.

08-04-2010, 08:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
bubbad Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Boiling Springs,Pa Posts: 1,347	Good breeders will try to breed their dogs to the given standard for conformation. AKC, the registering body for dogs in the US,(one,of the registering bodies)has a standard submitted by breed clubs for each breed of dog. For instance, for basset ears the standard says something like ," The bassets ears ,in repose,should look like they are coming off the neck(this is not verbatim). In other words a correct basset ear set, if you are looking at the puppy head on, the ears should not be equal with the eyes but set lower than the eyes as if on the neck. The standard covers every part of the Basset from the head to the tail in a description of what the ideal basset should look like,what colors are allowed and length of haircoat. Even what disqualifications(for the show ring)could allow a Judge to send a dog from the ring. There is no perfect conformationin in any breed but a good breeder tries to get as close as they can by genitics /pedigrees.

08-05-2010, 10:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
gsally Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: PA Posts: 275	Silly me, I prefer the smaller "tighter" looking basset. Since I've gotten into the field trial type of event, I've seen more of the sleek hunters and I love the look. Would the breeders who are into the hunting aspect make their selections based on hunting/field trial heritage rather than basset "look" conformation? If so, according to some opinions on this forum that would disqualify that breeder from the "good" and "responsible" category because they are not breeding for conformation but rather to create good hunting stock. By the way, although I prefer a sleek & petite hunter, I love the show look as well, they are all beautiful and when I see them on the TV Show Dog events, I just don't understand why they don't win best in show every time..........just saying cause I've got basset fever!

08-05-2010, 11:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
CharlieSue Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 78	[QUOTE It is ill advised to comment on a breeding program by the ascesssing a random single dog.[/QUOTE] What do you mean by that? I just brought it up because it was an observation is all. I don't even know basset standards because I don't show them. I was just curious as to the differences.

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