My new baby

Nicky's mom · 01-30-2008, 10:03 AM

Hi All,
I've been reading the board for a while waiting for my account to get set up and I feel like I know some of you. We adopted our first basset from the SPCA last Thursday and I couldn't love him more if I had given birth to him myself. He's 8 mos. old and a very enjoyable handful. (I say that now, but I haven't been home for lunch to see what he's up to today.) I had to put down my beloved Ally (mutt I got in Guam) in December. She was with me for 16 years, 8 months and 4 days and that was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. But, now we have Nicky, short for Nickelodeon because he's so silly. He's wondeful with Cammie our dalmatian. He's even manged to get her to play, something she's never done with another dog in the 3 1/2 years I've had her.

I'm posting picutures and I'm open to any advice you have since he's my first. I won't be using any negative reinforcement with him as Vision has suggested too many times for my taste. I understand basset's can be very stubborn, I already have a dalmatian. You don't tell them what to do, you talk them into and hope they think it's their idea. I think we need to change his food since he's been home a little while. His feet smell like a bag of Fritos and his armpits aren't much better. Not complaining, we'll figure something out just like we bought special towels to wipe up drool. Anyway, take a look at my boy and see what you think. Of course I think he's the most handsome thing ever.

Nicky's mom

murraysmom · 01-30-2008, 10:46 AM

I think I've seen some posts about the frito smelling feet being food related- possibly corn in the kibble? Someone can correct me if I'm wrong-

For any new members, a good thing to keep in mind is the search option- it's a good resource - you can use it to find old threads which discuss specific topics you're interested in-

Welcome to the forum! Nicky is gorgeous!

Touchstone Farm · 01-30-2008, 11:08 AM

What a cute puppy!

Betsy Iole · 01-30-2008, 11:27 AM

Welcome.

I've not actually seen anyone on this forum, within recent memory, suggest using negative reinforcement to train. Most people can't define it, let alone apply it in practice.

Punishment, OTOH, can be effective, if well-timed. Simply telling a dog "no" counts as punishment, because the goal of punishment is to decrease the occurrence of unwanted behaviors.

A combination of rewards (positive reinforcement) and correction (punishment) lets a dog know most quickly and efficiently which behaviors are acceptable, and which aren't.

Yogi's Mom · 01-30-2008, 11:54 AM

Welcome. Nicky is quite handsome!

Mikey T · 01-30-2008, 04:24 PM

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Welcome.

I've not actually seen anyone on this forum, within recent memory, suggest using negative reinforcement to train. Most people can't define it, let alone apply it in practice.

Punishment, OTOH, can be effective, if well-timed. Simply telling a dog "no" counts as punishment, because the goal of punishment is to decrease the occurrence of unwanted behaviors.[/b]

FWIW I have in the past posted a link to an article by Gary Wilke that deal with negative reinformcement. Basical the way an adversive is often applied rather tham being punishiment it becomes a negative reinforcer
Jack Palance vs. Fred Astaire Punishment or Negative Reinforcement - Draw your own conclusions, Pardner

No. for most dogs by definition is not a punisher as it does not decrease the occurrence of unwanted behavior in the future. Iif you tell the dog No it can stop the current behavior, much like claping your hand, a shaker can filled with pennies,citronella collar,etc. But, it no effect on likely occurance of the behavior in the future. Just tell a dog no is not likely to effect future behavior. "No" for most dogs is more apaptly described as a "distruptive stimulus" it something that stops a behavior giving you the opportunity to train a more appropriate behavior. That is how it is most often used. No! stops the behavior, followed up with a reward for the proper behavior. A bit of hair splitting because what something is called is not as important as whether it works,

Rubydoo · 01-30-2008, 04:30 PM

He's beautiful! Enjoy every second.

Janice and little Ruby

Betsy Iole · 01-30-2008, 05:49 PM

Because "no" is used with the goal of decreasing unwanted behaviors, it is intended to function as punishment. As a conditioned punisher, efficacy depends, in part, on the strength of the association between primary and secondary punishers. I agree that "no" is not used effectively as punishment by many pet owners.

And of course, effective use of positive punishment is another subject.

From Dr. P's Dog Training Punishment: Problems and Principles for Effective Use

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Some principles for the effective use of positive punishment include:

It must be prompt.
It should follow the occurrence of the undesired behavior immediately.
It must be consistent.
It should occur each and every time the undesired behavior occurs.
An alternative behavior should be made available which can be reinforced.
The purpose here is to overcome the problem of punishment not being as good of a source of information as is reinforcement.
At times a conditioned punisher should be used.
A conditioned punisher is a word (exs. "eheh", "no", or "wrong") and/or body posture (exs. a frown and/or stiffening of the body) that predicts that punishment will occur if the offending behavior continues. This eventually becomes an informational signal can reduce the need for actual punishment.[/b]

Also of interest is Dr. P's Confusing Consequences: A Brief Guide to Operant Conditioning, which defines and explains positive and negative reinforcement and positive and negative punishment.

Bassetmama · 01-30-2008, 07:24 PM

Super cute!! I'm so happy to hear he's found a home with you!!

Basset Momma · 01-30-2008, 09:58 PM

How precious! And welcome to the forum... we love pictures

01-30-2008, 11:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
Touchstone Farm Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Verrsailles,Ky Posts: 17	What a cute puppy! __________________ www.picturetrail.com/touchstone

01-30-2008, 11:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
Betsy Iole Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 4,901	Welcome. I've not actually seen anyone on this forum, within recent memory, suggest using negative reinforcement to train. Most people can't define it, let alone apply it in practice. Punishment, OTOH, can be effective, if well-timed. Simply telling a dog "no" counts as punishment, because the goal of punishment is to decrease the occurrence of unwanted behaviors. A combination of rewards (positive reinforcement) and correction (punishment) lets a dog know most quickly and efficiently which behaviors are acceptable, and which aren't. __________________ Betsy, Mom to CH Bugle Bay's Sin City Caper UD RE TD BHCA-VC CH Bugle Bay's Sin City Cuppa Joe TD CH Bugle Bay's AllUCanEat Buffet CDX RN TDX NA CGC BHCA-VCX, 1996-2008 "Bugsie" UDX NA NAJ CGC, 1991-2006

01-30-2008, 04:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Rubydoo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,681	He's beautiful! Enjoy every second. Janice and little Ruby __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...w/IMG_1340.jpg Take a basset hound to lunch today! --Bassets rule....and drool!

01-30-2008, 07:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
Bassetmama Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 121	Super cute!! I'm so happy to hear he's found a home with you!! __________________ Looking for basset related items? Hoss says you need to visit : http://www.bassetcrap.com

01-30-2008, 09:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
Basset Momma Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: West Texas Posts: 2,305	How precious! And welcome to the forum... we love pictures __________________ -Wendy Mom to Samantha, Jake, Cuddy, Frodo, & Indy

01-30-2008, 10:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
Nicky's mom Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 16	Hi All, I've been reading the board for a while waiting for my account to get set up and I feel like I know some of you. We adopted our first basset from the SPCA last Thursday and I couldn't love him more if I had given birth to him myself. He's 8 mos. old and a very enjoyable handful. (I say that now, but I haven't been home for lunch to see what he's up to today.) I had to put down my beloved Ally (mutt I got in Guam) in December. She was with me for 16 years, 8 months and 4 days and that was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. But, now we have Nicky, short for Nickelodeon because he's so silly. He's wondeful with Cammie our dalmatian. He's even manged to get her to play, something she's never done with another dog in the 3 1/2 years I've had her. I'm posting picutures and I'm open to any advice you have since he's my first. I won't be using any negative reinforcement with him as Vision has suggested too many times for my taste. I understand basset's can be very stubborn, I already have a dalmatian. You don't tell them what to do, you talk them into and hope they think it's their idea. I think we need to change his food since he's been home a little while. His feet smell like a bag of Fritos and his armpits aren't much better. Not complaining, we'll figure something out just like we bought special towels to wipe up drool. Anyway, take a look at my boy and see what you think. Of course I think he's the most handsome thing ever. Nicky's mom

01-30-2008, 10:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
murraysmom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: southcentral Pa. Posts: 2,235	I think I've seen some posts about the frito smelling feet being food related- possibly corn in the kibble? Someone can correct me if I'm wrong- For any new members, a good thing to keep in mind is the search option- it's a good resource - you can use it to find old threads which discuss specific topics you're interested in- Welcome to the forum! Nicky is gorgeous!

01-30-2008, 11:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
Yogi's Mom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,109	Welcome. Nicky is quite handsome!

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