What color is my puppy going to be? - Page 4

Vectisvagrant · 02-24-2013, 10:03 AM

With our two went looking for Bassets from reputable breeders (or so I naively thought at the time) but if anyone one had offered us a pup under 8 weeks, would have walked away. Can split hairs with if this, if that, (unless God intervenes) no good breeder who is breeding for health, character & to better their line would consider letting pups go under 8 weeks & the longer I know the breed can understand why some keep them for longer. Socialisation is very important but so is the socialisation a pup gains from it's mother & litter mates. A good breeder will not only begin socialisation with pups before they leave, some will even start house training. I've been shot down for saying this before but in going to a new home so young so vaccinations can be given too early, which can cause to them be ineffective. Yes of course pup needs to get out & about a soon as possible, but hey whats wrong with carrying them, sports bag over the shoulder our youngest loved it. What's the hurry all the time, we've all made mistakes & misjudgements but learn from them.

Mikey T · 02-25-2013, 04:47 PM

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What's the hurry all the time,

Because there is a limited time to accomplish socialization when the dog is open to new experiences the top end of which is 20 week

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no good breeder who is breeding for health, character & to better their line would consider letting pups go under 8 weeks

very untrue see
Puppy Socialisation and Habituation (Part 1) Why is it Necessary?

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What practical applications do we have that bear out the research? Guide Dogs for the Blind, who, until 1956, used to rely on the donation of adult dogs which they took on approval to maintain their training stock. The success rate of these dogs fluctuated between 9 and 11 percent and it was recognised that this could be improved if the association could supervise the rearing of puppies. These were purchased and placed in private homes at between ten and twelve weeks old or even later. Things improved, but the results were not good enough. It was Derek Freeman, who pushed to have puppies placed in private homes at an earlier age to optimise socialisation and habituation during the critical development period. Derek had a strong belief in Scott and Fuller’s work and importance of early socialisation and habituation in the production of dogs that were best able to survive and perform in the world at large.
Derek found that six weeks was the best time to place puppies in private homes; any later critically reduced the time left before the puppies reached twelve weeks; but if puppies were removed from their dam and litter mates before six weeks they missed the opportunity to be properly socialised with their own kind, which resulted in inept interactions with other dogs in later life

It is a matter of who is better capable of hadling the socialization and Habitiuation, Most of the time it is the breeder however that is not always the case.

Vectisvagrant · 02-25-2013, 06:10 PM

Everyone can have a view but through experience (limited compared to many of this forum perhaps), listening & talking to good breeders who from their care, treatment & responsibility to their pups, still believe it is wrong to remove/sell a pup (Basset) before it is 8 weeks. It's all to easy to quote chunks of literature from publications to support your views but personally prefer to research, read & listen to those whose years of experiences & knowledge I trust.

Of course socialisation is very important especially so during the few months, it should be fun, rewarding, simulating, not forced and continue along with training throughout the years. But it's not only with other dogs, you make it sound as if 20 weeks is some cut off point.

02-25-2013, 06:10 PM	#33 (permalink)
Vectisvagrant Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Isle of Wight. UK Posts: 293	Everyone can have a view but through experience (limited compared to many of this forum perhaps), listening & talking to good breeders who from their care, treatment & responsibility to their pups, still believe it is wrong to remove/sell a pup (Basset) before it is 8 weeks. It's all to easy to quote chunks of literature from publications to support your views but personally prefer to research, read & listen to those whose years of experiences & knowledge I trust. Of course socialisation is very important especially so during the few months, it should be fun, rewarding, simulating, not forced and continue along with training throughout the years. But it's not only with other dogs, you make it sound as if 20 weeks is some cut off point. Last edited by Vectisvagrant; 02-27-2013 at 11:13 AM. Reason: spelling!

02-24-2013, 10:03 AM	#31 (permalink)
Vectisvagrant Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Isle of Wight. UK Posts: 293	With our two went looking for Bassets from reputable breeders (or so I naively thought at the time) but if anyone one had offered us a pup under 8 weeks, would have walked away. Can split hairs with if this, if that, (unless God intervenes) no good breeder who is breeding for health, character & to better their line would consider letting pups go under 8 weeks & the longer I know the breed can understand why some keep them for longer. Socialisation is very important but so is the socialisation a pup gains from it's mother & litter mates. A good breeder will not only begin socialisation with pups before they leave, some will even start house training. I've been shot down for saying this before but in going to a new home so young so vaccinations can be given too early, which can cause to them be ineffective. Yes of course pup needs to get out & about a soon as possible, but hey whats wrong with carrying them, sports bag over the shoulder our youngest loved it. What's the hurry all the time, we've all made mistakes & misjudgements but learn from them.

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