sudden break of house broken-ness

sookieball · 11-05-2011, 03:14 PM

Bilbo my basset-beagle mix,
is VERY house broken.
has been since we got him.
always been very good at no peeing or pooing inside.
always asks and wakes you up when he's gotta go.
past 2 days he's had 2 accidents pooping in the house and in then EXACT
same spots.
i wondered if maybe the drastic change in weather got him sick or if maybe
avocados are the culprit?
theres a tree in my neighbors yard and it hangs over mine. and tiss the season for cali-grown-avo's.

he also just refused his breakfast.
and this fatty boy NEVER turns down a meal.

heres a pix of him doing what he does best.

SophieB · 11-05-2011, 04:11 PM

It might be the avocados as it's not really a dog food and is probably hard to digest!

I wouldn't give them to my Bassets... they would prefer tripe sticks or a nice juicy bone!

dreamons · 11-05-2011, 05:05 PM

The ASPCA maintains that they are dangerous for dogs. "Avocado leaves, fruit, seeds and bark contain a toxic principle known as persin,” according to Dana Farbman, CVT, of the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center. “The Guatemalan variety, which is the most common variety found in stores, appears to be the most problematic.”

In addition, the ASPCA includes avocados on the list of people foods that are unsafe for pets, with this warning, "The leaves, fruit, seeds and bark of avocados contain Persin, which can cause vomiting and diarrhea in dogs. Birds and rodents are especially sensitive to avocado poisoning, and can develop congestion, difficulty breathing and fluid accumulation around the heart. Some ingestions may even be fatal."

sookieball · 11-05-2011, 07:34 PM

lord!!!

its the avocados then! i searched the yard and found NOTHING BUT PITS!!! 6 of them! thats why he isnt eating and i just came home again and he had pooed all over the house and it was nasty runny diahrea!

thank you!

SophieB · 11-06-2011, 06:14 AM

Phew, thank goodness you know what it is! Poor wee Bilbo... let's hope you now know it isn't his fault and there is good reason why we are told that certain human food is not appropriate for our dogs! They can be poisoned by some human foods and one of the worst culprits is chocolate... they must also not eat onions, grapes and dried fruit... and Mikey can probably add to the list of what not to feed our hounds!

Wworm · 11-06-2011, 12:32 PM

Poor Bilbo! glad u found out what it is and he will prob feel better soon. My person got so worried when me swallowed an entire apricot w/pit inside when i was a pup. took 5 seconds for me to pick it up, decide i want to eat it, and swallow it. Bilbo probably thought it was good stuff LOL.

i get confused tho-- isn't there a dog food called Avoderm, that has a lot of avocado in it???

also, what's the story w/dried fruits? uh oh, i mighta eaten some before. like dried apricots. we did not know they were bad for me...
--Worm

Princess Buttercup · 11-06-2011, 03:24 PM

Yikes I'd call the vet to be on the safe side. PB says, "Bilbo buddy you gotta lay off the guacamole & stick to the cheese quesadillas instead. Maybe if you ask nice the neighbor will plant a quesadilla tree instead? Be sure to use your pretty eyes & wag, wag, wag to convince him!"

Mikey T · 11-07-2011, 02:28 PM

When it comes to toxicity it is all about exceeding the toxic limit keep the quanity below this and there is no problem. Take choclolate for instance the chemical in chocolate that is toxic to dogs is also toxic to humans wo whiy the warning. It sees that humans are more likely to get stop eating it before the toxic limit than dogs but it really takes quite a bit of choclate to be a problem.

Liver in high quanity on a consistent basis can cause Vitmen A toxicosis but it is a fine food to feed a dog on a limited basis or in moderation, JUst about any food can be tixic if grossly overfed. on need to keep in mind the quanity need for the toxic level to be reached.

In the case of avocado's it appears the fuit is getting lumped in with other part because dogs mite eat the pit if the have the fruit. see from the Avoderm web site

Quote:

Dr. Art Craigmill, UC Davis, Professor and Extension Specialist in Environmental Toxicology has said that his studies and other research in the United States and Australia have shown that the problem of toxicity is in the leaves and the pit of the Guatemalan variety; the avocado meat of the fruit and oils have not been shown to be toxic

ASCPA tend to be arlamist in issue any posion warning

dreamons · 11-07-2011, 02:53 PM

Using a dose of 100 mg/kg as the toxic dose it comes out roughly as:
1 ounce per 1 pound of body weight for Milk chocolate
1 ounce per 3 pounds of body weight for Semisweet chocolate
1 ounce per 9 pounds of body weight for Baker's chocolate.

So, for example, 2 oz. of Baker's chocolate can cause great risk to an 15 lb. dog. Yet, 2 oz. of Milk chocolate usually will only cause digestive problems. Not sure about the avocado though.

houndmomma · 11-07-2011, 05:46 PM

I’m so glad you found out what the culprit was – now I hope you can get Bilbo feeling like his old self again soon.

Jen~

11-05-2011, 03:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
sookieball Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 5	sudden break of house broken-ness Bilbo my basset-beagle mix, is VERY house broken. has been since we got him. always been very good at no peeing or pooing inside. always asks and wakes you up when he's gotta go. past 2 days he's had 2 accidents pooping in the house and in then EXACT same spots. i wondered if maybe the drastic change in weather got him sick or if maybe avocados are the culprit? theres a tree in my neighbors yard and it hangs over mine. and tiss the season for cali-grown-avo's. he also just refused his breakfast. and this fatty boy NEVER turns down a meal. heres a pix of him doing what he does best.

11-06-2011, 12:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
Wworm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Left Coast Posts: 1,966	Poor Bilbo! glad u found out what it is and he will prob feel better soon. My person got so worried when me swallowed an entire apricot w/pit inside when i was a pup. took 5 seconds for me to pick it up, decide i want to eat it, and swallow it. Bilbo probably thought it was good stuff LOL. i get confused tho-- isn't there a dog food called Avoderm, that has a lot of avocado in it??? also, what's the story w/dried fruits? uh oh, i mighta eaten some before. like dried apricots. we did not know they were bad for me... --Worm __________________ see what the Worm is up to: http://bassetworm.blogspot.com/

11-07-2011, 05:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
houndmomma Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 503	I’m so glad you found out what the culprit was – now I hope you can get Bilbo feeling like his old self again soon. Jen~ __________________ Momma to Lucy age 12 ~ Basset Hound Momma to Rickie age 5 ~ Shi-Poo (don’t tell him though – he thinks he’s a hound dog) Momma to Mabel age -1 ~ Basset Hound Momma to Flash – RIP 2000 ~ 2011 – Gone in body but with me in spirit ~ You will live on forever in my heart baby ~ Je t'aime

11-05-2011, 04:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
SophieB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 838	It might be the avocados as it's not really a dog food and is probably hard to digest! I wouldn't give them to my Bassets... they would prefer tripe sticks or a nice juicy bone!

11-05-2011, 05:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
dreamons Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Laughlin,NV Posts: 454	The ASPCA maintains that they are dangerous for dogs. "Avocado leaves, fruit, seeds and bark contain a toxic principle known as persin,” according to Dana Farbman, CVT, of the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center. “The Guatemalan variety, which is the most common variety found in stores, appears to be the most problematic.” In addition, the ASPCA includes avocados on the list of people foods that are unsafe for pets, with this warning, "The leaves, fruit, seeds and bark of avocados contain Persin, which can cause vomiting and diarrhea in dogs. Birds and rodents are especially sensitive to avocado poisoning, and can develop congestion, difficulty breathing and fluid accumulation around the heart. Some ingestions may even be fatal."

11-05-2011, 07:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
sookieball Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 5	lord!!! its the avocados then! i searched the yard and found NOTHING BUT PITS!!! 6 of them! thats why he isnt eating and i just came home again and he had pooed all over the house and it was nasty runny diahrea! thank you!

11-06-2011, 06:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
SophieB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 838	Phew, thank goodness you know what it is! Poor wee Bilbo... let's hope you now know it isn't his fault and there is good reason why we are told that certain human food is not appropriate for our dogs! They can be poisoned by some human foods and one of the worst culprits is chocolate... they must also not eat onions, grapes and dried fruit... and Mikey can probably add to the list of what not to feed our hounds!

11-06-2011, 03:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Princess Buttercup Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 364	Yikes I'd call the vet to be on the safe side. PB says, "Bilbo buddy you gotta lay off the guacamole & stick to the cheese quesadillas instead. Maybe if you ask nice the neighbor will plant a quesadilla tree instead? Be sure to use your pretty eyes & wag, wag, wag to convince him!"

11-07-2011, 02:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
dreamons Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Laughlin,NV Posts: 454	Using a dose of 100 mg/kg as the toxic dose it comes out roughly as: 1 ounce per 1 pound of body weight for Milk chocolate 1 ounce per 3 pounds of body weight for Semisweet chocolate 1 ounce per 9 pounds of body weight for Baker's chocolate. So, for example, 2 oz. of Baker's chocolate can cause great risk to an 15 lb. dog. Yet, 2 oz. of Milk chocolate usually will only cause digestive problems. Not sure about the avocado though.

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