Who's breeding and showing in conformation?

woebgon · 09-21-2006, 09:52 AM

There must be some out there who are breding and showing in conformation. I'd like to know who's out there. Let's see if we can get this board going again. I'll start it off.

I'm Don Bullock. My wife and I have been showing in conformation for over fifteen years. More recently we decided that inorder to get the basset hounds that we wanted to show we would have to breed them ourselves. Currently we are working with Heather Simonek of Vogue Bassets to create our own line. You can see our dogs and read more about us at our Woebgon Basset Hounds webpage.

Twinkie's Mum · 09-21-2006, 10:39 AM

Excellent website! I'd like to see more information on this particular topic board, too. Best wishes with your efforts.

Janet 'n Twinkie

Soundtrack · 09-21-2006, 04:35 PM

I've been showing since 1981 and breeding occasionally since 1992. We also participate in obedience and agility, and at the Nationals we will be in the Rally ring for the first time, as well as trying again at the hunt test.

pinehawk · 09-21-2006, 10:54 PM

can anyone tell me where they may have seen this? and then how many people follow it? "Breedings will be directed toward producing Basset Hounds of exceptional quality in breed temperament, Basset Hound type and ABILITY to HUNT GAME. Only healthy and mature dogs and bitches free of congenital defects and of characteristic breed type, sound structure and temperament shall be bred."

Booya · 09-22-2006, 12:29 AM

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There must be some out there who are breding and showing in concormation. I'd like to know who's out there. Let's see if we can get this board going again. I'll start it off.

I'm Don Bullock. My wife and I have been showing in conformation for over fifteen years. More recently we decided that inorder to get the basset hounds that we wanted to show we would have to breed them ourselves. Currently we are working with Heather Simonek of Vogue Bassets to create our own line. You can see our dogs and read more about us at our Woebgon Basset Hounds webpage.
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checked out your website. your bassets are gorgeous!!!

Soundtrack · 09-22-2006, 08:08 AM

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can anyone tell me where they may have seen this? and then how many people follow it? "Breedings will be directed toward producing Basset Hounds of exceptional quality in breed temperament, Basset Hound type and ABILITY to HUNT GAME. Only healthy and mature dogs and bitches free of congenital defects and of characteristic breed type, sound structure and temperament shall be bred."
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The Guidelines of Ethical Conduct we sign when we join BHCA.

Hard to test their ability to hunt when we have no place to run them and no trials. But I did enter the Hunt Test at Nationals just to see what happens.

My guys have shown interest in and desire to chase rabbits that they see, and one of my hounds did catch and kill a partridge...does that count?

Of the flip side, how many field people are adhering to the Basset Hound type and structure side of the equation?

Aruuuu · 09-22-2006, 08:27 AM

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Of the flip side, how many field people are adhering to the Basset Hound type and structure side of the equation?[/b]

Point very well made, Miriam

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woebgon · 09-22-2006, 09:48 AM

I fully agree with you Miriam. Excellent points.

We tried to get some field trials going in Southern California. Unfortunately, due to the mild climate we have here, there are only about eight weeks in the middle of winter that we can safely take our hounds out in the field. The rest of the year the rattle snakes pose too much danger to take a chance. That also happens to be our rainy season.

I have taken a couple of our basset hounds out to a field trial and entered one of them. Our boy even won a ribbon. I can't remember exactly what it was for. He actually took off in the right direction, following the path of the rabbit. It was something about the most promising newcomer. I wish we had more opportunities for field trials. It was a lot of fun and super exercise for the dogs and owners.

The field trials that I attended were run by Gail Allen and Gil Tankard of Tailgate Bassets when they lived near Sad Diego. Their basset hounds more "type" than most. The dogs that they had out in the field were all conformation champions before they were introduced to field trialing. It was amazing to see those beautiful bassets doing what they were bred for.

In comformation some judges do consider what the breed was bred for when they judge. Personally I wish more did.

pinehawk · 09-23-2006, 10:40 PM

here is part of the problem that i would LOVE to solve and be able to DO. do i take a MAJOR step backwards by breeding for conformation and lose the hunting ability or do we breed for hunt and lose some of the better conformation.i will be the first one to tell you that some field dogs are not the best conformation dogs,but if it don't run rabbit you can keep it i don't want it.i really would love to get a good show bitch that has some hunting ability and take it from there. Now i would want to start with a bitch puppy between 8-14 weeks old and work my training magic on her and see how she does. now after talking with show people they told me they had showed pups that had awesome conformation and buy the time they were 2 years old they were conformation dropouts,just turned out they matured and lost it all.i was told that Ike's head was to blocky by some people,i looked at the heads of there Champion show dogs,i felt they were to narrow!!!! Snipey looking to me. Remember the BHCA was started by field trialers who showed there dogs and it seems to me that as time has passed there has been a division between show and field. pictures of the field dogs of old that used to be showed would not have a chance in the ring today.some of those dogs had worse conformation than some of the field dogs of today,but i'll bet you they could run a rabbit!!!! i would love to know how many people breed and don't cull dogs with defects and give them away and or sell them as pets,than breed the same 2 dogs again and get more defects and do the same. Do the pups with out the defects have the genes that could be passed on to there get? it's a crap shoot when you breed... now who is going to sell me there BIS/BIB show bitch so i can get better conformation in my field dogs? i'll only settle for one of the top five

. i'll take the step BACKWARD if someone is willing to step FOWARD. P.S. no Red and Whites... TRI COLORS RULE!!!!!!

woebgon · 09-25-2006, 09:53 AM

I understand your dilemma. When you're selecting bassets for the field do you ever consider their conformation based on the AKC Standard?

As for show dogs suddenly losing their conformation after they turn two, I have found that to be quite rare. Hopefully those aren't the basset hounds a breeder had decided to breed for their next generation of bassets. Sure dome do lose their conformation as they mature, but that has nothing to do with the argument that dogs in the field shouldn’t be closer to the AKC Standard than many are today.

As for culling dogs, I’m not one who believes in doing that, but I do feel that bassets with major “defects” should be sold or given away with a limited registration. That’s why AKC came up with that form of registration. When a reputable breeder does have major defects they have to regroup and make major changes in their line. A truly reputable breeder, if they are following the BHCA Code of Ethics, wouldn’t keep producing bassets with major problems.

As for when and why BHCA was founded that is not relevant in today’s world. Their mission statement is:

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The Basset Hound Club of America was founded to encourage and promote quality in the breeding of pure-bred Basset Hounds and to do all possible to bring their natural qualities to perfection, to encourage the organization of local Basset Hound clubs in those areas where there are sufficient fanciers of the breed to meet the requirements of the American Kennel Club, and to assist them in their activities, to urge members and breeders to accept the Standard of the breed as approved by the American Kennel Club as the only standard of excellence by which Basset Hounds should be judged, to do all in its power to protect the interests of the breed by encouraging sportsmanlike competition at dog shows, field trials, obedience trials, and tracking tests, etc. and to conduct such events under the rules of the American Kennel Club. [/b]

I'd love to be able to get my hounds out in the field. As I stated before, it's just not safe for them here in Southern California. The areas that have abundant quantities of bunnies have even more rattle snakes. In our mild climate their dormant period is quite short. After I retire in a couple of years, I'd like to chack into tracking. We do have some local bassets with tracking titles. That can be done is a safe location.

No, I don’t think anyone will be jumping at the chance to sell you that BIS/BIB basset to add to your line. I'd love to have one myself. Like all the rest of us, you’ll have to work for it yourself. BTW – I’m also a tri-color fan. <_<

09-21-2006, 09:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
woebgon Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 56	There must be some out there who are breding and showing in conformation. I'd like to know who's out there. Let's see if we can get this board going again. I'll start it off. I'm Don Bullock. My wife and I have been showing in conformation for over fifteen years. More recently we decided that inorder to get the basset hounds that we wanted to show we would have to breed them ourselves. Currently we are working with Heather Simonek of Vogue Bassets to create our own line. You can see our dogs and read more about us at our Woebgon Basset Hounds webpage. __________________ Don Bullock Woebgon Bassets http://www.woebgonbassets.com Owned by: CH. Shoefly's Royal Moosehead CH. Vogue's Woebgon Mountain Dew CH. Vogue's Woebgon Bonnie Miss CH. Woebgon's Kickapoo Joy Juice CH. Woebgon's Moxie Original

09-21-2006, 04:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
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09-21-2006, 10:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
pinehawk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Cassville,N.J. Posts: 936	can anyone tell me where they may have seen this? and then how many people follow it? "Breedings will be directed toward producing Basset Hounds of exceptional quality in breed temperament, Basset Hound type and ABILITY to HUNT GAME. Only healthy and mature dogs and bitches free of congenital defects and of characteristic breed type, sound structure and temperament shall be bred." __________________ </font>[list]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

09-22-2006, 09:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
woebgon Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 56	I fully agree with you Miriam. Excellent points. We tried to get some field trials going in Southern California. Unfortunately, due to the mild climate we have here, there are only about eight weeks in the middle of winter that we can safely take our hounds out in the field. The rest of the year the rattle snakes pose too much danger to take a chance. That also happens to be our rainy season. I have taken a couple of our basset hounds out to a field trial and entered one of them. Our boy even won a ribbon. I can't remember exactly what it was for. He actually took off in the right direction, following the path of the rabbit. It was something about the most promising newcomer. I wish we had more opportunities for field trials. It was a lot of fun and super exercise for the dogs and owners. The field trials that I attended were run by Gail Allen and Gil Tankard of Tailgate Bassets when they lived near Sad Diego. Their basset hounds more "type" than most. The dogs that they had out in the field were all conformation champions before they were introduced to field trialing. It was amazing to see those beautiful bassets doing what they were bred for. In comformation some judges do consider what the breed was bred for when they judge. Personally I wish more did. __________________ Don Bullock Woebgon Bassets http://www.woebgonbassets.com Owned by: CH. Shoefly's Royal Moosehead CH. Vogue's Woebgon Mountain Dew CH. Vogue's Woebgon Bonnie Miss CH. Woebgon's Kickapoo Joy Juice CH. Woebgon's Moxie Original

09-23-2006, 10:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
pinehawk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Cassville,N.J. Posts: 936	here is part of the problem that i would LOVE to solve and be able to DO. do i take a MAJOR step backwards by breeding for conformation and lose the hunting ability or do we breed for hunt and lose some of the better conformation.i will be the first one to tell you that some field dogs are not the best conformation dogs,but if it don't run rabbit you can keep it i don't want it.i really would love to get a good show bitch that has some hunting ability and take it from there. Now i would want to start with a bitch puppy between 8-14 weeks old and work my training magic on her and see how she does. now after talking with show people they told me they had showed pups that had awesome conformation and buy the time they were 2 years old they were conformation dropouts,just turned out they matured and lost it all.i was told that Ike's head was to blocky by some people,i looked at the heads of there Champion show dogs,i felt they were to narrow!!!! Snipey looking to me. Remember the BHCA was started by field trialers who showed there dogs and it seems to me that as time has passed there has been a division between show and field. pictures of the field dogs of old that used to be showed would not have a chance in the ring today.some of those dogs had worse conformation than some of the field dogs of today,but i'll bet you they could run a rabbit!!!! i would love to know how many people breed and don't cull dogs with defects and give them away and or sell them as pets,than breed the same 2 dogs again and get more defects and do the same. Do the pups with out the defects have the genes that could be passed on to there get? it's a crap shoot when you breed... now who is going to sell me there BIS/BIB show bitch so i can get better conformation in my field dogs? i'll only settle for one of the top five . i'll take the step BACKWARD if someone is willing to step FOWARD. P.S. no Red and Whites... TRI COLORS RULE!!!!!! __________________ </font>[list]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

09-21-2006, 10:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
Twinkie's Mum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 79	Excellent website! I'd like to see more information on this particular topic board, too. Best wishes with your efforts. Janet 'n Twinkie

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