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Sigh here we go again, and again your quoting things and ad-libbing with no experience which is just wrong ...Completely undisputed wrong!
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from someone that has experience with a dog with a very benign reaction to scary stuff. Have you any real experience working with a fear biter? Well I have . Techniques like "Same with bicycles kids etc.. walk past them keep on going no stopping no talking, once your past a ways turn around and go back past them again." Is a quick way to get someone hurt if the only control you have is a leash and forcing such a confrontation.
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You most certainly can and do feed the fear of animal and you most certainly can create a lot more problems when you talk to them while they are afraid.
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Forgive me If I take the side of the experts with many years of experience in dealing with fearful dogs. That is why I provide the links and quotes. The thoughts and words of two of the most preeminent animal behaviorist should certainly carry more weight than mine or your for that matter. As for being undisputed wrong the quote and articles speak for themselves
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They stop the fear immediately but only if you have truly ignored it, no eye contact, no touching, no talking.
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Obvious from someone that has never had a truly thunderstorm phobic dog the would hide in a corner and not come out as long as the storm is present the fear reaction is still there regardless of what you do or do not do. You can ignore the dog all you want, heck leave the house and drive to the next county, monitor the dog on video. It will stay in its little cocoon until the storm is over.
There is evidence that touching certainly can help in such cases. This is the reason for the proliferation of thunder shirts and wraps.
Pressure Wraps for dogs
The Anxiety Wrap Study
there is also indications that placing a fearful dog in a body posture that indicates less fear the dogs emotional state changes as well.
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ignore them act bored yawn stretch whatever
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you do know what a
Calming Signals are and the effect they have on dogs?
Calming Signals
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Believe it or not, people can use calming signals to help put dogs at ease. Try this: The next time your dog looks stressed, get his attention and then yawn exaggeratedly or lick your lips repeatedly. You might be surprised. He might reply with calming signals of his own, or simply visibly relax. Although you can use any of the signals, use your own judgment regarding scratching in public
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Yawning the equivalent of telling your dog everything is going to be ok. B ut wait the is only going to increase his fear
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mmm wrong, I never "flooded'
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...she is going to face it. Same with bicycles kids etc.. walk past them keep on going no stopping no talking, once your past a ways turn around and go back past them again.
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...I did put up a baby gate and not let her flee the room or the situation
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The dog in each instance is placed in a fearful situation and physically restrained the very definition of flooding.
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I never caused "learned helplessness'
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Never said you did, nor did I question the effectiveness of your methodology and/or flooding. As a matter of fact, I explicitly said "it can work". I simply pointed out the dangers that exist from using such a techniques and the limitation of the effectiveness and when it should be applied or attempted.
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WHY ARE YOU QUOTING THINGS ABOUT SHOCKING ANIMALS?
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because through such experiment was the existence of "learned helplessness" discovered. It also provides the back drop of the type of trauma the dog needs to go through to have such a reaction. I am gussing you did not take the time to read the enire link which include why learned helplessness occurs in only some animal etc. It is why I provide the links to provide more information than is possible in the limited space of this forum.